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Hello All,
I have decided to suspend for now my focus on the Black Triangles. It's been a year or so since I first heard of them and since then I've learned much, not only about BBTs but about the UFO scene in general, mostly as a result of managing the "Say Hello to ET" project from Feb. 20, 2011 until July 20, 2011. Then, as most of you know, after that there was the relatively quick follow-up with the "UFO Reboot" project which ran for three weeks endind on 11/11/11. These exercises opened up the world of UFOs, and the folks that believe in them, in a way that, in retrospect, would have otherwise taken years to understand. Though I am not a believer myself, even after this past year and it's events, What I have learned from the many Forums and their members is that there is a plateau that has been reached, which was actually reached decades ago, in which no one has really progressed beyond.This is not to say that more of everything UFO has not been the case for indeed there IS more of everything WRT UFOs. But If I was to give an overview, standing back and looking at the whole picture of the last 50 years or so, I just don't see much in the way of any new revealations.
One of the most prominent aspects of the current picture that appears most disturbing, albeit only to myself and a few others, is that the focus of the subject still remains at the level of the UFO itself. It seems as if everything is frozen on that particular aspect and subject cannot free itself to move beyond that point. It is my opinion that achieving the next level of thought would be a necessary step one might take in the evolutionary sense of understanding the UFO enigma.What might that next level of thinking entail? Well for one, a believer will still likely believe in the existence of ET in spite of the two previously-mentioned project which resulted in two no-shows. I have nonetheless not seen discussion threads anywhere that have seriously address that particular outcome.
It comes to mind that believers do not need proof of Alien exist because they already know existence to be a fact. It's not fact and we have all heard both sides of that issue many times. It's another one of those circular discussions that is and will be difficult if not impossible to resolve to everyone's satifaction. So, where does this leave the dialogue in the Forums? It simply comes right back to the UFO again. The sightings on MUFON, NUFORC, YouTube, etc and the focus once again remains there with no data to stimulate anything that would launch the phenomenon to the next tier of investigation. The UFO industry is completely satified with this situation as most of you are well aware and it has no desire to break out of something that is comfortable and has been almost like a tradition for over 40 years. But it's just not working in the intelligent believer of today who's exposed to so much information.
At this point I would an present an idea for your consideration as believers:
1) If ETs exist, as believers say that they do, then it is apparent by now after 60+ years that they are NOT here to invade us.
2) If ETs exist, as believers say that they do, then it is apparent by now after 60+ years that they are not here for our resources as the universe has everything we have- and in great abundance.
3) Then they are here for a reason no one has thought of yet but whatever it is, it is NOT to harm us.
4) That being said, if I was a believer, it would be apparent to me then, that they are here for a NECESSARY reason.
I think this is a good place to pause and to leave that last thought with all of you for a while. Believe me, there is much more to this picture as you will see but absorbing the idea for now of ET being here out of necessity is more important.
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Post by uforn on Dec 8, 2011 14:51:13 GMT 1
Hello All, I have decided to suspend for now my focus on the Black Triangles. It's been a year or so since I first heard of them and since then I've learned much, not only about BBTs but about the UFO scene in general, mostly as a result of managing the "Say Hello to ET" project from Feb. 20, 2011 until July 20, 2011. Then, as most of you know, after that there was the relatively quick follow-up with the "UFO Reboot" project which ran for three weeks endind on 11/11/11. These exercises opened up the world of UFOs, and the folks that believe in them, in a way that, in retrospect, would have otherwise taken years to understand. Though I am not a believer myself, even after this past year and it's events, What I have learned from the many Forums and their members is that there is a plateau that has been reached, which was actually reached decades ago, in which no one has really progressed beyond.This is not to say that more of everything UFO has not been the case for indeed there IS more of everything WRT UFOs. But If I was to give an overview, standing back and looking at the whole picture of the last 50 years or so, I just don't see much in the way of any new revealations. One of the most prominent aspects of the current picture that appears most disturbing, albeit only to myself and a few others, is that the focus of the subject still remains at the level of the UFO itself. It seems as if everything is frozen on that particular aspect and subject cannot free itself to move beyond that point. It is my opinion that achieving the next level of thought would be a necessary step one might take in the evolutionary sense of understanding the UFO enigma.What might that next level of thinking entail? Well for one, a believer will still likely believe in the existence of ET in spite of the two previously-mentioned project which resulted in two no-shows. I have nonetheless not seen discussion threads anywhere that have seriously address that particular outcome. It comes to mind that believers do not need proof of Alien exist because they already know existence to be a fact. It's not fact and we have all heard both sides of that issue many times. It's another one of those circular discussions that is and will be difficult if not impossible to resolve to everyone's satifaction. So, where does this leave the dialogue in the Forums? It simply comes right back to the UFO again. The sightings on MUFON, NUFORC, YouTube, etc and the focus once again remains there with no data to stimulate anything that would launch the phenomenon to the next tier of investigation. The UFO industry is completely satified with this situation as most of you are well aware and it has no desire to break out of something that is comfortable and has been almost like a tradition for over 40 years. But it's just not working in the intelligent believer of today who's exposed to so much information. At this point I would an present an idea for your consideration as believers: 1) If ETs exist, as believers say that they do, then it is apparent by now after 60+ years that they are NOT here to invade us. 2) If ETs exist, as believers say that they do, then it is apparent by now after 60+ years that they are not here for our resources as the universe has everything we have- and in great abundance. 3) Then they are here for a reason no one has thought of yet but whatever it is, it is NOT to harm us. 4) That being said, if I was a believer, it would be apparent to me then, that they are here for a NECESSARY reason. I think this is a good place to pause and to leave that last thought with all of you for a while. Believe me, there is much more to this picture as you will see but absorbing the idea for now of ET being here out of necessity is more important. Hello hiflier, Nice post (strange title tho  Ill address the projects first. As Ive said before it was never going to work, all in all it was a mix of channeling and the new age belief in the phenomena. Seasoned Researchers just ignored this alltogether as balony in which it was. It was aimed at these new age beleivers. Many people whom beleive in Aliens do not do Research they see people like David Icke and his Retillian rubbish as the real deal. There are many others out there that also push the same ideas as Icke. People get caught up in these fantasy's and beleive every word of these people. These kind of people do real damage to the research of this subject. Now onto the UFO's they are in fact "REAL" UFO means Unidentified Flying Object and not Aliens (This is where the problem Lies). There is tonnes of evidence for UFO's but none for them being Alien in nature. One can only speculate as to if they are then why are they here. There are many theories out there and one of them is that they are here because they are a dying civilization and they need us for our DNA in order for them to survive or evolve. |
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Post by uforn on Dec 8, 2011 15:05:27 GMT 1
Do you have a theory as to why they are here hiflier ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2011 15:17:22 GMT 1
Hello uforn,
Yes, I have o theory. Which is a set of facts. Is the set complete? Not yet. But the theory is that The Earth has been bombarded by Large cosmic ray bombardment. These have been called superwaves by some who have studied the geological record.
Some of the events were enormous enough to wipe out life on this Planet. The one I researching occurred around 11,000 years ago and had the potential of killing off larger animals. A colleague that I'm working with who is a believer has of course included ET in the mix and has proposed that ET historically has performed rescues of the Human Race but only in the event that there would be totla extinction were intervention not to take place.
A case in point, the disclosure project had several witness who would swear before congress that the UFOs that showed up at the missle silos and shut them down. A researcher might look at that and check to record of political dynamics at that time and say yes, okay, the missles were armed. And then they were not.
We all are aware of what a nuclear winter could mean for mankind. If the risk of such a thing was great because of the political climate of the day putting us it the edge of total anihilation, then ET may have shut them down as a slap on the wrist saying "THAT JUST WILL NOTHAPPEN!".
If I were a believer that kind of action would reinforce the "rescue" idea. But what drives it home are the catastrophic events in Earth's history that were enough of a major event to ensure total extinction of Humans.
Enter ET.
That is where this thread is giong.
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Post by uforn on Dec 8, 2011 15:31:50 GMT 1
Hello uforn, Thank you for your response. Yes UFOs are real. At least there are examples of objects that fly that are not explained. The Alien pilot however, as you say, is another story. The reason I'm going to be leaning toward a senario that encompasses, at least for the sake of the believer, the idea that ET is here as a necessity is that in order for the ET picture to fit it should blend in seemlessly with our own history as a species and as a Planet. Of course WRT Earth itself there is more that enough proof that there has been catastrophic events in it's past. So, what kind of events would wipe out Humans? We are fragile creatures and it wouldn't take much to do us in. But evidently somehow there has managed to always be a few to keep the race alive. So how then does one reconcile an event that for all intents and purposes should have been the death nell for the Race? This thread will develope that question with facts to support it to help create a working model (theory) that allows ET to fit the historical picture. That's what the goal is and IMHO what believers need to advance in thinking past the UFO itself. It's a dead end if they cannot and has been for decades. Breaking out is not going to be easy and the concept that this thread is developing could be one of several. The larger point is that whatever folks choose as a concept for ET presence it will fall flat without data. And with all due respect the "dying planet" and "DNA harvesting" has no data. The senario I will present will have data to back it up although WRT to ET being part of the picture there will, by default, be conjecture. BUT that conjecture WILL fit the picture and not be just hanging as a loose end. You need to watch all the Ancient Aliens mate that will give you a good understanding on the subject and the history  Dont get me wrong alot of the theory is rubbish but there are some Gems in there There are many events that could wipe out humans such as Super Volcanos, Comets / Asteroids Climate shift etc etc etc. Its not just Humans that have survived catastrophic events. What about animals such as Aligators and Crocodiles as well as the Giant Tortoise ? |
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Post by uforn on Dec 8, 2011 15:37:58 GMT 1
I see youve posted this on ATS is this another one of your projects to the whole UFO community again ?
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Post by uforn on Dec 8, 2011 15:47:20 GMT 1
Hello uforn, Yes, I have o theory. Which is a set of facts. Is the set complete? Not yet. But the theory is that The Earth has been bombarded by Large cosmic ray bombardment. These have been called superwaves by some who have studied the geological record. Some of the events were enormous enough to wipe out life on this Planet. The one I researching occurred around 11,000 years ago and had the potential of killing off larger animals. A colleague that I'm working with who is a believer has of course included ET in the mix and has proposed that ET historically has performed rescues of the Human Race but only in the event that there would be totla extinction were intervention not to take place. A case in point, the disclosure project had several witness who would swear before congress that the UFOs that showed up at the missle silos and shut them down. A researcher might look at that and check to record of political dynamics at that time and say yes, okay, the missles were armed. And then they were not. We all are aware of what a nuclear winter could mean for mankind. If the risk of such a thing was great because of the political climate of the day putting us it the edge of total anihilation, then ET may have shut them down as a slap on the wrist saying "THAT JUST WILL NOTHAPPEN!". If I were a believer that kind of action would reinforce the "rescue" idea. But what drives it home are the catastrophic events in Earth's history that were enough of a major event to ensure total extinction of Humans. Enter ET. That is where this thread is giong. Hmm do you read the thread hiflier as I had already quoted you in this post and youve since edited it after my post  Quote: Hello uforn,
Thank you for your response. Yes UFOs are real. At least there are examples of objects that fly that are not explained. The Alien pilot however, as you say, is another story. The reason I'm going to be leaning toward a senario that encompasses, at least for the sake of the believer, the idea that ET is here as a necessity is that in order for the ET picture to fit it should blend in seemlessly with our own history as a species and as a Planet.
Of course WRT Earth itself there is more that enough proof that there has been catastrophic events in it's past. So, what kind of events would wipe out Humans? We are fragile creatures and it wouldn't take much to do us in. But evidently somehow there has managed to always be a few to keep the race alive.
So how then does one reconcile an event that for all intents and purposes should have been the death nell for the Race? This thread will develope that question with facts to support it to help create a working model (theory) that allows ET to fit the historical picture. That's what the goal is and IMHO what believers need to advance in thinking past the UFO itself. It's a dead end if they cannot and has been for decades.
Breaking out is not going to be easy and the concept that this thread is developing could be one of several. The larger point is that whatever folks choose as a concept for ET presence it will fall flat without data. And with all due respect the "dying planet" and "DNA harvesting" has no data. The senario I will present will have data to back it up although WRT to ET being part of the picture there will, by default, be conjecture. BUT that conjecture WILL fit the picture and not be just hanging as a loose end. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2011 15:52:04 GMT 1
Hello uforn,
I would not consider this to be a project., but yes it is elsewhere as well and I would gladly provide a list if need be here or as a PM.
This theory can, as you know and have said, be one of several. But IMHO becomes a theory only if it is based on a set of facts or else it's just more conjecture to add to the rest of the pile. It's not even thinking outside the box. It's using hard data that is available and getting an idea. Sometimes the idea comes first but in researching that idea if the data says "no, you're wrong" then one has throw the idea out.
I felt this process to be important enough to present to Forums as well as the model I'm working on as an example. If someone comes up with a theory based on the same set of criteria that I using then great, more to learn. But one need not stop at the UFO sighting or report as that is already the case and it hasn't been enough
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2011 15:56:05 GMT 1
Hello uforn,
My postings are long and it takes time. By the time your posts arrive I'm sometimes still two-fingiring the keyboard. BUT I edit for spelling, or grammer or punctuation only! If you compare the two posts you would see that. I never chang content or adjust a post to fit a reply. It's unethical.
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Post by uforn on Dec 8, 2011 15:59:49 GMT 1
Hello uforn, My postings are long and it takes time. By the time your posts arrive I'm sometimes still two-fingiring the keyboard. BUT I edit for spelling, or grammer or punctuation only! If you compare the two posts you would see that. I never chang content or adjust a post to fit a reply. It's unethical. Ok Ill put them side by side in this post to see as its easier  Edited Post: Hello uforn,
Yes, I have o theory. Which is a set of facts. Is the set complete? Not yet. But the theory is that The Earth has been bombarded by Large cosmic ray bombardment. These have been called superwaves by some who have studied the geological record.
Some of the events were enormous enough to wipe out life on this Planet. The one I researching occurred around 11,000 years ago and had the potential of killing off larger animals. A colleague that I'm working with who is a believer has of course included ET in the mix and has proposed that ET historically has performed rescues of the Human Race but only in the event that there would be totla extinction were intervention not to take place.
A case in point, the disclosure project had several witness who would swear before congress that the UFOs that showed up at the missle silos and shut them down. A researcher might look at that and check to record of political dynamics at that time and say yes, okay, the missles were armed. And then they were not.
We all are aware of what a nuclear winter could mean for mankind. If the risk of such a thing was great because of the political climate of the day putting us it the edge of total anihilation, then ET may have shut them down as a slap on the wrist saying "THAT JUST WILL NOTHAPPEN!".
If I were a believer that kind of action would reinforce the "rescue" idea. But what drives it home are the catastrophic events in Earth's history that were enough of a major event to ensure total extinction of Humans.
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First Post: Hello uforn,
Thank you for your response. Yes UFOs are real. At least there are examples of objects that fly that are not explained. The Alien pilot however, as you say, is another story. The reason I'm going to be leaning toward a senario that encompasses, at least for the sake of the believer, the idea that ET is here as a necessity is that in order for the ET picture to fit it should blend in seemlessly with our own history as a species and as a Planet.
Of course WRT Earth itself there is more that enough proof that there has been catastrophic events in it's past. So, what kind of events would wipe out Humans? We are fragile creatures and it wouldn't take much to do us in. But evidently somehow there has managed to always be a few to keep the race alive.
So how then does one reconcile an event that for all intents and purposes should have been the death nell for the Race? This thread will develope that question with facts to support it to help create a working model (theory) that allows ET to fit the historical picture. That's what the goal is and IMHO what believers need to advance in thinking past the UFO itself. It's a dead end if they cannot and has been for decades.
Breaking out is not going to be easy and the concept that this thread is developing could be one of several. The larger point is that whatever folks choose as a concept for ET presence it will fall flat without data. And with all due respect the "dying planet" and "DNA harvesting" has no data. The senario I will present will have data to back it up although WRT to ET being part of the picture there will, by default, be conjecture. BUT that conjecture WILL fit the picture and not be just hanging as a loose end. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2011 16:04:11 GMT 1
Hello uforn,
There is a problem. The two posts are entirely different. How can anyone possibly think one was an edit of the other?
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Post by uforn on Dec 8, 2011 16:06:08 GMT 1
Hello uforn, There is a problem. The two posts are entirely different. How can anyone possibly think one was an edit of the other? Simply by looking at the time I quoted you and the time you edited it I quoted you @ 2-31pm you edited it @ 2-38pm |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2011 16:19:57 GMT 1
Hello uforn,
Ther's more to than that. the post beginning "Yes, UFOs are real...l" was a reply to your first post in which you stated that UFOs are real in the third paragraph that somehow didn't make it in it's proper order until later. I don't know why that occurred. But I assure you there was no editing. The post in response to your query of if I had a theor is in the proper order.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2011 16:23:24 GMT 1
Hello uforn, Hello uforn, Ther's more to than that. the post beginning "Yes, UFOs are real...l" was a reply to your first post in which you stated that UFOs are real in the third paragraph that somehow didn't make it in it's proper order until later. I don't know why that occurred. But I assure you there was no editing. The post in response to your query of if I had a theor is in the proper order. a fine example of why and when I edit. My typos are glaring, eh? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2011 19:17:20 GMT 1
Hello uforn, Do you have a theory as to why they are here hiflier ? I think what happened was that you posted this question while I was composing the "Thank you for your response. Yes UFOs are real..." post. Somehow the post got held up. I don't see it anywhere in the thread except for it being quoted in one of your subsequent replies. |
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Post by uforn on Dec 8, 2011 21:10:38 GMT 1
Hello uforn, Ther's more to than that. the post beginning "Yes, UFOs are real...l" was a reply to your first post in which you stated that UFOs are real in the third paragraph that somehow didn't make it in it's proper order until later. I don't know why that occurred. But I assure you there was no editing. The post in response to your query of if I had a theor is in the proper order. Strange that because your post was edited 7 mins after I quoted you Go back and re-read the thread and post times and what has been said. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2011 21:27:37 GMT 1
Hello uforn,
I must've obviously erred but I don't know how. it wasn't because I switched horses in midstream though.
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Post by uforn on Dec 9, 2011 1:10:09 GMT 1
Hello uforn, I must've obviously erred but I don't know how. it wasn't because I switched horses in midstream though. Well it certainly looks that way. This is why I quote every post I reply to just incase the other person goes back and does an edit, that way Ive got a record of what was said before the edit. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2011 1:55:15 GMT 1
Hello uforn,
Have you ever known me to operate this way?
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Post by uforn on Dec 9, 2011 2:10:48 GMT 1
Hello uforn, Have you ever known me to operate this way? No but the evidence is there in black and white. You posted the reply @ 2-17 I quoted you @ 2-31 your edit was @ 2-38. Go and look . |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2011 2:42:54 GMT 1
Hello uforn,
I'm not refuting what you say.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2011 15:16:26 GMT 1
Hello uforn,
I just realized what I did after going back and reviewing my steps in the beginning. I had indeed composed the post that you originally responded to. When I responded then to you question of whether I had a theory I posted the first post again mistakenly. I went back and wrote the proper post in response to you query and thinking that I had duplicated the first one deleted what I thought was the duplicate and then posted the second which was the correct one for your theory question. In doing so my action deleted the first post unknown to me until you brought up the discrepancy.
It was an honest mistake on my part and since you have a copy of the first one at least there is a record of it's existence. If placed in the proper order as being the third post in the thread then you will see that contextually it fits as it should WRT it's content.
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Post by uforn on Dec 9, 2011 17:47:04 GMT 1
Hello uforn, I just realized what I did after going back and reviewing my steps in the beginning. I had indeed composed the post that you originally responded to. When I responded then to you question of whether I had a theory I posted the first post again mistakenly. I went back and wrote the proper post in response to you query and thinking that I had duplicated the first one deleted what I thought was the duplicate and then posted the second which was the correct one for your theory question. In doing so my action deleted the first post unknown to me until you brought up the discrepancy. It was an honest mistake on my part and since you have a copy of the first one at least there is a record of it's existence. If placed in the proper order as being the third post in the thread then you will see that contextually it fits as it should WRT it's content. OK his threads gone way off track so lets try to get it back together again. You posted: Hello uforn,
Thank you for your response. Yes UFOs are real. At least there are examples of objects that fly that are not explained. The Alien pilot however, as you say, is another story. The reason I'm going to be leaning toward a senario that encompasses, at least for the sake of the believer, the idea that ET is here as a necessity is that in order for the ET picture to fit it should blend in seemlessly with our own history as a species and as a Planet.
Of course WRT Earth itself there is more that enough proof that there has been catastrophic events in it's past. So, what kind of events would wipe out Humans? We are fragile creatures and it wouldn't take much to do us in. But evidently somehow there has managed to always be a few to keep the race alive.
So how then does one reconcile an event that for all intents and purposes should have been the death nell for the Race? This thread will develope that question with facts to support it to help create a working model (theory) that allows ET to fit the historical picture. That's what the goal is and IMHO what believers need to advance in thinking past the UFO itself. It's a dead end if they cannot and has been for decades.
Breaking out is not going to be easy and the concept that this thread is developing could be one of several. The larger point is that whatever folks choose as a concept for ET presence it will fall flat without data. And with all due respect the "dying planet" and "DNA harvesting" has no data. The senario I will present will have data to back it up although WRT to ET being part of the picture there will, by default, be conjecture. BUT that conjecture WILL fit the picture and not be just hanging as a loose end. |
I replyed: You need to watch all the Ancient Aliens mate that will give you a good understanding on the subject and the history Dont get me wrong alot of the theory is rubbish but there are some Gems in there
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Post by ronologic on Dec 9, 2011 19:04:58 GMT 1
hiflier, my reason for being on this forum is not to attempt to understand why ET is here. The theories are endless in number. UFORN, being UFO is the operative site id, and as the site moderator and not the administrator, that is my opinion. Yes, one may correctly infer that ET is driving the UFOs, but I am here to find some one that can inform me as to what I have seen flying through the sky, and as I have posted, my first out of four sighting in 1968 was a BT about 100 miles east of the White Sands Missel Range in New Mexico, and it was headed that direction. Two facts emerge in my mind about this;
1.It was/is not from this planet.
2.It was/is not operated by a life form from this planet.
My question is why is it here?
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Hello ronigical, Please, believe me, there's not enough apologies left to go around after my shinanigans! I envey your BT sighting, I really do. I've never seen anything nor know anyone outside of Forum members who have either. I don't know how to address this so I guess I'll just say it: I truly think the larger picture will actually shed good light on what UFOs are about. AND who's in them. Sure ideas and opinion abound but if a real theory can be in the offing with back-up that adequately supports that theory then one gets a leg up for ironing out the details. I firmly think that there is a picture which is in shambles for the time being but that all the pieces are present to form an outline that heads in the right direction. At the very least it will be instructive in how create a valid outline to work from. It has been a long time that this enigma has been with us. Doing something about it means just that- doing something about. But where does one start? Is there a beginning? and if so when did things start? In 1066? In the 1700s? 1947? Before the Great Flood? It's not so easy as most well know to pick a starting point. Paul R. Hill was a good place to learn characteristics and some physics but there was conjecture there with questions, the same questions that people are still asking today, that simply weren't answered. And they still can't be answered. But there can be logic. Try this: csfa.tamu.edu/mammoth/issues/Volume-16/vol16_num2.pdfScroll down to page 9 and tell me what you think? It's not UFO related- YET! |
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Post by ronologic on Dec 10, 2011 5:27:48 GMT 1
Hello ronigical, Please, believe me, there's not enough apologies left to go around after my shinanigans! I envey your BT sighting, I really do. I've never seen anything nor know anyone outside of Forum members who have either. I don't know how to address this so I guess I'll just say it: I truly think the larger picture will actually shed good light on what UFOs are about. AND who's in them. Sure ideas and opinion abound but if a real theory can be in the offing with back-up that adequately supports that theory then one gets a leg up for ironing out the details. I firmly think that there is a picture which is in shambles for the time being but that all the pieces are present to form an outline that heads in the right direction. At the very least it will be instructive in how create a valid outline to work from. It has been a long time that this enigma has been with us. Doing something about it means just that- doing something about. But where does one start? Is there a beginning? and if so when did things start? In 1066? In the 1700s? 1947? Before the Great Flood? It's not so easy as most well know to pick a starting point. Paul R. Hill was a good place to learn characteristics and some physics but there was conjecture there with questions, the same questions that people are still asking today, that simply weren't answered. And they still can't be answered. But there can be logic. Try this: csfa.tamu.edu/mammoth/issues/Volume-16/vol16_num2.pdfScroll down to page 9 and tell me what you think? It's not UFO related- YET! No need to be enveious of my BT sighting. If you've seen one BT you've seen them all! I read the article and on page 14 the increase in local radiation according to the writer is due to a supernova shock wave or gamma ray burst. Interesting reading, but I am lost as to what the article has to do with the issue of your thread? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2011 7:22:48 GMT 1
Hello ronigical,
The thread is further developing the theory, and I can say theory because of factual content like what is in the link, that Human extinction was a real threat and if I can link a very large event into the geological record that is within the timeline of Man then the question of survival comes up. Also other things are in the ancient written record like the Great Flood in several histories. If a superwave melted out the last Ice Age then flooding would be expected. If a Noah type character had foreknowledge that ET would show up for rescue because of the magnitude of the event....... Well, I'm getting ahead of myself here but I think you can see the idea.
I'm in the process of building the science (ergo the link) for a backdrop for the concept. If ET fits in OK. If not then ET is out and Humans just dealt with bad situations as best they could. The rub here is if the theory works with all scientific diciplines in place then fastforwarding to the present means ET's presence is really not a good sign for most of us but not because Aliens will do harm. Mother Nature will be the culprit instead and ET is here to make sure the Human Race will live on even if only a remnant of it's former self
Is this a stretch? Oh yeah it is but I haven't seen anything else that makes much sense either and IMHO ET has to be logical or it just doesn't work. I'm shooting for as much science as I can in this and the work so far has not been easy. I have time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2011 21:39:58 GMT 1
Hello All,
The word coincidental carries with it the sense that when things occur together, or within a certain time frame, that they are not necessarily related events. But, for this thread, bringing in an adaptation of the word is key to understanding the position of the idea presented. So i'd like to introduce "co-incidental" to describe the point that events actually ARE related. For starters:
At 40,000 years BP (before present) these things occurred:
1)The geological record shows an extremely large spike in beryllium 10, the isotope created when cosmic rays interact with Earth's atmosphere.
2)A very large eruption in the Phlegrean Fields (southern Italy) of what is called the Campanian Ignimbrite took place.
3)A dramatic deterioration in the climate of at least that hemispheric region in addition the Laschamp excursion in which a geomagnetic reversal took place,
4)The Heinrich Event 4 (HE4) which was the fourth of six floating-ice-shelf periods evidenced by rocks in the seabed that were dropped when the ice floes melted.
5)Water levels before the warming were about 100 meters lower than today allowing for coastal settlements which were later inundated.
6)The migration of Cro-Magnon peoples into the European continent (was occuring with the apparent advantage of having language).
7)Neanderthals which had been on the European continent for 90,000 years (themselves becoming extinct 10,000 yrs. later) were losing there habitual food supply (meat) due to over harvesting and hyper-concentration as a result of reduced land space. The animals they depended on for food and shelter, along with Neanderthal, were being squeezed into southwestern Europe by glaciers and the advance of Cro-Magnon.
8-Weather patterns also possessed a split jet stream causing more cold across glacial regions tying up more moisture and leaving the more inhabitable lower latitudes suffering in prolonged drought which had stimulated the north migration of Cro-Magnon in the first place.
All in all, the stresses imposed by nature, competition for food and
space, and conflicts created and environment at risk for disease and self destruction. If there was an oportunity for extinction this was a major senario. Then too, the evidence of a concentration of beryllium 10 in core samples indicates that a cosmic superwave struck the Planet as well.
Not a very pretty picture IMO and if ever Believers in ancient Alien presence and aid wanted a situation that called for intervention this would be a prime time for it. It also would be a fine example of what this thread is attempting to convey. For some this may not be a good enough argument for a rescue senario but at some point the Human population of that era also experienced a tremendous surge of creativity along with an advance in tool making and, as mentioned above, language. Gradual processes of contact with ET?
However it's a good theory nonetheless. And for ancient-Alien proponents looking for a solution for current UFO presence, this at least could make for some very interesting and thought-provoking discussion WRT the many points of the co-incidental factors mentioned. It is a good argument for "why" ET might be here. These past events no doubt witnessed great Human suffering and placed the Race at great risk for our extinction.
After this time period there was a sudden shift to warming which presents it's own set of dynamics as one can only imagine. It's diffucult to imagine what it must have been like. In the warming cycle the tectonic actions created volcanic activity along with earthquakes as a result of the great weight of ice being removed from the land masses. As fresh water got dumped into the oceans over time, stopping their currents, the cycle would repeat.
I'm now working on the next time period.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2011 21:43:24 GMT 1
Comments?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2011 21:50:57 GMT 1
Uforn,
I edited post#27 because I duplicated the entire thing and modified it so there was only one copy. I edited #28 because I did it again! so deleted what was going to end up being a third copy and since the post needed something wrote in the word "Comments".
Sorry, hiflier.
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Ill address the projects first. As Ive said before it was never going to work, all in all it was a mix of channeling and the new age belief in the phenomena. Seasoned Researchers just ignored this alltogether as balony in which it was. It was aimed at these new age beleivers.
Dont get me wrong alot of the theory is rubbish but there are some Gems in there 
