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Post by uforn on Apr 10, 2011 12:35:26 GMT 1
Roswell UFOs confirmed on FBI website Here's an interesting document from the FBI website on Roswell. Quote: An investigator from the Air Forces stated that three so-called flying saucers had been recovered in New Mexico. They were described as being circular in shape with raised centers, approximately 50ft in diameter. Each one was occupied by three bodies of human shape but only 3 ft. tall, dressed in metallic cloth of a very fine texture. Each body was bandaged in a manner similar to the blackout suits used by speed flyers and test pilots.
According to Mr. (Informant), the saucers were found in New Mexico due to the fact that the Government has a very high-powered radar set-up in that area and it is believed the radar interferes with controlling mechanisms of the saucer.
No further evaluation was attempted by SA (blanked) concerning the above.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM9Lo18K15k&feature=player_embedded
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Post by Laurance on Apr 12, 2011 22:16:40 GMT 1
This information is not new also it does not confirm Roswell, as it is a witness statement.
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Post by uforn on Apr 12, 2011 22:33:02 GMT 1
This information is not new also it does not confirm Roswell, as it is a witness statement. Yes i know m8 ive had connection probs today so havnt been able to do much. None of the documents in the FBI files are new the site has had a revamp that is all Also this Roswell document is a HOAX too im moving this thread into the HOAX section if i can stay online long enough www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhvL5dmFHSM&feature=player_embedded
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Post by Aelius on Apr 14, 2011 1:33:23 GMT 1
A hoax released from US' own FBI?
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Post by uforn on Apr 14, 2011 12:42:44 GMT 1
A hoax released from US' own FBI? No m8 that was told to FBI Agent Guy Hottel decades ago it was a Hoax then and still is now, These files that have resurfaced are not new only the format on the FBI site is new, basically they are reports sent into the FBI they not an FBI admission on anything. Welcome to UFORN
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Post by uforn on Apr 14, 2011 14:29:25 GMT 1
Take a look at the article below on the Hottel Memo: Qoute: News organizations across the world were taken in -- once again -- by a hoax that was perpetrated more than 50 years ago.
The infamous "Hottel memo" was posted on several sites, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation's "vault." It was touted as "newly revealed" this week. The memo supposedly confirms that alien ships landed in the U.S. in the late 1940s and the information was covered up.
But in fact the infamous memo has been making the rounds for several years. (It was never classified). The "vault" is simply a newer system put in place by the FBI over the past week to make accessing documents easier.
The memo describes what was told to an FBI agent, Guy Hottel, who was the special agent in charge of the Washington field office. It describes an "air force investigator" who described finding a crashed craft in New Mexico, and also said that alien bodies were found in it. Hottel only reports what the unnamed informant says, not what his own conclusions are. The informant says that the craft was disabled by "high powered radar" in the area. Not only is the information not first-hand and far removed from New Mexico, it is connected to a 60-year-old hoax that resulted in a conviction for fraud.
The memo was the end of a long chain of tale-telling. The Hottel memo repeats a story from the Wyandotte Echo, a legal newspaper in Kansas City, Kansas in January of 1950, which was repeated to Guy Hottel by an Air Force investigator who read the story (and pasted into a memo himself. Such practices were common in the days before scanning documents was possible and memos had to be typed out). That news story draws from the account of a Rudy Fick, a local used car dealer.
Fick got the story from a two men, I. J. Van Horn and Jack Murphy, who said they got the story from a man named "Coulter" - actually a radio station advertising manager named George Koehler. Koehler got the story from Silas Newton.
The hoax begins with Newton and his accomplice, Leo A. Gebauer. Newton and Gebauer were peddling "doodlebugs" -- devices that could supposedly find oil, gas, gold, or anything else that the target of the con was interested in finding.
In an interview in 2003 for a documentary called The Other Side of Truth, written and directed by Paul Kimball, the late Karl Pflock, a UFO researcher, described the original hoax that led to the Hottel memo. Pflock notes that the difference between Newton and Gebauer's con and many others that preceded it was they said their doodlebugs were better because they were based on alien technology.
The two men told Frank Scully, a columnist for Variety, about the UFO crash. There were no other witnesses (local newspaper accounts don't show anything for the relevant dates). Scully claimed in his book that Newton and Gebauer told him the military had taken the craft for secret research.
Meanwhile, the story of the alien technology piqued the interest of J.P. Cahn of the San Francisco Chronicle. Cahn managed to convince Newton and Gebauer to give him a sample of the "alien" metal, which turned out to be aluminum.
Cahn's account of the alien ship hoax - and the two swindlers -- appeared in True magazine in 1952. The result was that several people who had been conned by Newton and Gebauer came forward. One of their victims was Herman Glader, a Denver millionaire who had the wherewithal to press charges. Newton and Gebauer were convicted of fraud the next year.
The Aztec hoax appeared again in 1986, when William Steinman and Wendelle Stevens published a book called UFO Crash at Aztec. In 1998 Linda Mouton Howe, a documentary filmmaker, claimed to have government documents proving that an alien ship had landed in Roswell, New Mexico, in 1947. That proof was the Hottel memo.
Several news outlets have repotted the memo as "proof" that the government knew about crashes of alien spacecraft in Roswell. But not only does the memo say no such thing, it isn't even connected to the town of Roswell.
There are several other clues that something is wrong. The FBI has several documents that point to their knowledge of Newton and Gebauer both, as fraud schemes involving mining were common in the southwest at that time.
In addition, an alien craft disabled by "high-powered radar" is implausible given that ordinary airplanes can fly without incident through radar, and "high power" radar is not enough to damage even conventional electronics. (Radars were even less powerful in the 1940s). In addition, the description in the Hottel memo does not match any of those given at the time for purported Roswell UFOs.
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Post by Aelius on Apr 14, 2011 17:57:31 GMT 1
I made that post before I read about it. After reading about it, I sort of forgot that I made that post but I understood what it was then.
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Post by uforn on Apr 15, 2011 12:25:23 GMT 1
I made that post before I read about it. After reading about it, I sort of forgot that I made that post but I understood what it was then. No probs m8, pleased you went and looked into it as alot of people dont bother they just believe what they think without checking into all possibilities first. There's a very good article on these FBI Files here: www.openminds.tv/the-real-story-of-the-fbi-ufo-x-files-657/Worth a read
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