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Post by onlychild on May 6, 2011 15:29:37 GMT 1
We all know the conflicts in Ufology, what you are asking for is channeling. But we don't realize the WHY of said conflicts. That WHY is nothing more than a processing problem because the brain is all there is in the picture. And no, actually it isn't remotely connected to channeling. This picture is no different than me asking you for something. ET are beings just like us (variations in "being" understood). I have to wonder how they look at us and the way we do things, if even I can see the problem. And to be honest were sick to the teeth of this kind of rubbish. Why would learning about something be classified as rubbish? This asking as you call it is going to prove nothing whatsoever, there will be no definitive result either way this is like a religion in a way or a cult a following so to speak. You could get everyone in the world to say hello at the same time, but if there no reply it doesnt mean ET isnt out there, this expirement of yours is a HUGE Failure even before it starts. Belief or no belief doesnt matter in the least This is an example of thought hijacking. Exactly what are you afraid of?
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Post by meldrew on May 6, 2011 15:39:53 GMT 1
Ive removed several posts that have been insulting and ridiculing to other's.I will close this thread and remove it if this continues, please be civil
Thanks I object to you removing posts, wheres your sense of humour, I put thought into replying with humour for you to just erase them, your no goody 2 shoes you know, whats the point of bothering with any thing on here if you just wipe it out, no one was bothered by the banter, you can be like the gestapo sometimes
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Post by uforn on May 6, 2011 15:41:50 GMT 1
No matter how you try to say its not channeling your wrong weve seen all this many times before. Blossom Goodchild ring any bells ? Again weve seen this kind of thing many times in the past Thought highjacking wtf ? From you with this asking thing ? Afraid ? Im not afraid of anything, what are you on about ? Is it the fact that nothing will come from this "Asking" ? Means nothing to me as its going to prove absolutely nothing whatsoever
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Post by onlychild on May 6, 2011 16:02:37 GMT 1
No matter how you try to say its not channeling your wrong weve seen all this many times before. Blossom Goodchild ring any bells ? Again weve seen this kind of thing many times in the past Not even close. Thought highjacking wtf ? From you with this asking thing ? Afraid ? Im not afraid of anything, what are you on about ? Is it the fact that nothing will come from this "Asking" ? Means nothing to me as its going to prove absolutely nothing whatsoever Over the last 30+ years I have dealt with people and the way they think ... the picture has never ONCE changed. I have a sneaking hunch that this is why, what I call the distance factor, exists in this picture. You are afraid of something, it's as obvious as it can get ... this is not a channeling / pseudo-spiritual roll on the floor in ecstasy picture, it's just an attempt to begin to straighten out the mess our "thinking" has created. I wasn't "asked" to do this ... if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. Do what you brain tells you to do ... that's all one can expect.
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Post by uforn on May 6, 2011 16:05:45 GMT 1
No matter how you try to say its not channeling your wrong weve seen all this many times before. Blossom Goodchild ring any bells ? Again weve seen this kind of thing many times in the past Not even close. Thought highjacking wtf ? From you with this asking thing ? Afraid ? Im not afraid of anything, what are you on about ? Is it the fact that nothing will come from this "Asking" ? Means nothing to me as its going to prove absolutely nothing whatsoever Over the last 30+ years I have dealt with people and the way they think ... the picture has never ONCE changed. I have a sneaking hunch that this is why, what I call the distance factor, exists in this picture. You are afraid of something, it's as obvious as it can get ... this is not a channeling / pseudo-spiritual roll on the floor in ecstasy picture, it's just an attempt to begin to straighten out the mess our "thinking" has created. I wasn't "asked" to do this ... if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. Do what you brain tells you to do ... that's all one can expect. My brain tells me to remove this thread off this UFO Research forum
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Post by onlychild on May 6, 2011 16:11:16 GMT 1
My brain tells me to remove this thread off this UFO Research forum And that, for you, would be the next "(il)logical" step. If you can't win - erase everything as if it never existed.
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Post by uforn on May 6, 2011 16:14:56 GMT 1
My brain tells me to remove this thread off this UFO Research forum And that, for you, would be the next "(il)logical" step. If you can't win - erase everything as if it never existed. Is that so ? There is going to be no conclusion from this asking and you know it! Ill say it again weve seen it all before many times! This forum is a Research HUB for UFO's we are not so easily influenced by this kind of rubbish. Again seen this kind of thing many times in the past. There's no win or lose its a pointless scenario
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Post by onlychild on May 6, 2011 16:29:22 GMT 1
And that, for you, would be the next "(il)logical" step. If you can't win - erase everything as if it never existed. Is that so ? There is going to be no conclusion from this asking and you know it! Ill say it again weve seen it all before many times! Then what is the harm in trying again? MAYBE ... just MAYBE this will work. If it doesn't then it doesn't - but we at least tried. This picture is based on the sum-total of everything I have been through since 1955, which, as said, is not to be part of this picture because of the conflict in beliefs across the board. I have nothing left as far as what to do with humanity regarding straightening this picture out. It was just something I mentioned on another board, it sounded like a good idea, we talked about it, and decided to try it. That's it. It doesn't go any further than that. Hiflier is involved because he is a hell of a lot more diplomatic than I am; he's more the people person. I'm just facts and data, and after 30+ years of dealing with people - I know what's coming, and it drives me up the wall. Hiflier is finding all this out now lol ... same exact picture. Give him 30 years and he will be as burned out as I am Look, do what you personally want to do - that's all one can ask. Again, this was just an idea, and if it doesn't work - we tried.
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Post by uforn on May 6, 2011 16:44:58 GMT 1
Is that so ? There is going to be no conclusion from this asking and you know it! Ill say it again weve seen it all before many times! Then what is the harm in trying again? MAYBE ... just MAYBE this will work. If it doesn't then it doesn't - but we at least tried. This picture is based on the sum-total of everything I have been through since 1955, which, as said, is not to be part of this picture because of the conflict in beliefs across the board. I have nothing left as far as what to do with humanity regarding straightening this picture out. It was just something I mentioned on another board, it sounded like a good idea, we talked about it, and decided to try it. That's it. It doesn't go any further than that. Hiflier is involved because he is a hell of a lot more diplomatic than I am; he's more the people person. I'm just facts and data, and after 30+ years of dealing with people - I know what's coming, and it drives me up the wall. Hiflier is finding all this out now lol ... same exact picture. Give him 30 years and he will be as burned out as I am Look, do what you personally want to do - that's all one can ask. Again, this was just an idea, and if it doesn't work - we tried. There's a hell of alot of harm trying it again m8 The main being it would make us all look like fruit loops once again!Weve been burned too many times now to take stuff like this serious Your preaching on closed doors if you ask me
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Post by onlychild on May 6, 2011 17:05:09 GMT 1
If it is done with the understanding this is just an attempt to TRY something, not broadcast an event on the media that this WILL happen, I don't see the harm. If it doesn't happen, outsider's final conclusions can only be based on the structure of the idea: They wanted to try something to see if it would work - it didn't - back to the drawing board.
I'll be back later ... ;D
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Post by uforn on May 6, 2011 17:18:50 GMT 1
If it is done with the understanding this is just an attempt to TRY something, not broadcast an event on the media that this WILL happen, I don't see the harm. If it doesn't happen, outsider's final conclusions can only be based on the structure of the idea: They wanted to try something to see if it would work - it didn't - back to the drawing board. I'll be back later ... ;D You dont get the point that all this has been tryed before reguardless of belief, its never worked in the past and it wont work now. This kind of thing is really falling on Deaf Ear's. We moved on years ago from this kind of scenerio.
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Post by onlychild on May 6, 2011 17:59:20 GMT 1
You dont get the point that all this has been tryed before reguardless of belief, its never worked in the past and it wont work now. Oh contraire ... you see, "I" haven't tried it ... and to date no one has taken this approach of "simply asking." No one has said: "Umm ... hey guys, we have a real problem here that looks like it's never going to be fixed. Do you think that maybe you could do a fly-by show or something that would eliminate at least PART of this picture?"I created a date that has absolutely nothing to do with anything, except it appeals to my creative side, and that was the end of that. I don't care who has done what before, "I" haven't tried this, and as said, no one to date - has JUST ASKED.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2011 2:31:39 GMT 1
Hello uforn, meldrew and All,
I see my posts are still here though they almost disappeared by default. That would have been OK. I don't think I write that well so no great loss if they go away. I've been thinking as I've followed along here that it just seems so much the same stuff as always without let up. One of the reasons I wanted to be invloved was to try and opposing viewpoints closer together. Find some common ground but, at the same time, knew that would entail some approach that would help expose the ET phenom. Make it a little clearer.
Well, it doesn't look to good right now if you ask me. Folks actually seem to be getting further and further away from each other. So I decided to bring the idea for this event a little more down to Earth if you will. Take it into more of a socio-scientific realm and simply use the ET motif as an example of the Human phenomenon of belief vs. fear. Map it out into a sort of flow chart of advantages and disadvantages for an individual who may be pursuing such a belief- or any belief for that matter. This isn't perfect and one may add, subtract, or disregard any of it.
The scope of this idea can be divided into two larger
segments:
Before 5:20am July 20 and after 5:20am July 20.
On the "before" side the advantages are:
-The community as a whole gets to discuss a concept of taking action at the individual level that could affect the whole.
-The individual gets to choose whether or not no get involved and, if so, to what degree.
-The entire thing is anonymous, no one will know who partakes and who doesn't so if believers and/or skeptics want to see what happens they either assume someone else will do the work or they do the work themselves so that they know something was done.
-Because no one is watching, no one is keeping track, there is no one in charge, except the individual.
-If one decides not to do this it is perfectly OK. If one decides TO do this two things come into play:
Either one is afraid or one is not.
-If one is not afraid they have not looked into UFOs or ET deep enough. These discussions will therefore help immensely to increase one's perspective.
-If one is afraid then two things are available. Again, they do not do this, or they do. If they do not, once more it's perfectly OK. If they do then AMAZING things can occur:
1) Even though fearful they have decided to rise above their fear for the quest of knowledge. The fear is still there and big, but the determination to find out the truth is BIGGER.
2) The exercise can carry over into areas of one's life where fear of progress may be also present, but regardless of any fear over a matter, action is required in order to gain the solution for personal struggles as well.
3) That individual effort does count, That many individual efforts involving like-mindedness will create progress toward something greater than the individual. FOR GOOD OR BAD. So getting FACTUAL INFORMATION is of the utmost importance! Not rumors or opinions.
4) Self esteem and self worth for taking a stand, without an authority figure to assess your quality, will definitely improve. Just for doing something, anything, with the entire world in mind. One will feel stronger for it and more self-empowered to keep the initiative until the ET problem is solved with better questions, better dialogue and a greater willingness for still greater action.
5) Achieving a better insight WRT scams, hoaxes, and such by having a demand for hard facts, vetted sources, and similar proof-of-origin of information. The goal being a quick and targeted focus on getting a straight answer WRT the UFO/ET enigma once and for all with no compromises.
The disadvantages:
-Those without knowledge but possessing a quick tongue degrading an individual or trying to derail even small attempts to progress in the subject.
-Ridicule of anyone wishing to break out of the normal circles of self-perpetuating arguments against upsetting the status quo.
-Giving into the dialogue of fear concerning what ETs "may" do:
a) invade us b) destroy us c) eat us d) ship us somewhere e) enslave us f) the government steps in, because they admit the endeavor WILL in fact open the door to inviting an ET disaster. In which case WE STOP!! But, at the same time, we'll know we now have the answer!
g) One gives in to someone else's arguments are that based on that person's own fear, believe them with no proof and risk becoming frozen in one's tracks and powerless against one's own peer group to move ahead; giving over power to others when one is better off NOT to. Mostly because one thinks someone else knows more or better than they. NOT TRUE BTW. Because no one at this time has an answer!
Now for after 5:20am July 20:
Two paths. ET did not show up, or ET did show up.
If ET does not show:
1) There is no ET. 2) Telepathy doesn't work. There could still be ETs. Or not. 3) They will only show when THEY want to, based of course on the assumption that they already are known to exist. So there could still be ETs. Or not.
Advantages:
a) One has worked through the fear and came out the better for it. b) One learned that peer pressure resides in ones own mind and that self esteem is not controled by others unless allowed. c) One has reinvigorated a sense of well being and inner strength unknown before the exercise. Self worth and self accomplishment is realized. d) One possesses a renewed sense of control over one's ability to stand on one's own two feet for a better informed world. And an overcoming of the tendency to feel victimized by others, and also by authority, through a reinforced self confidence. e) One may decide there is no ET and enter a reality that says:
There is no Earth-saving civilization but this one. And get to work doing just that- for the planet and for their fellow man.
Disadvantages:
a) A greater degree of mistrust of authority and others who may exhibit an overabundance of pressure to tow the mark within a group. b) Developement of a condescending attitude if one is not strong in wisdom and heart. c) Intolerance of things not proved with facts. Animosity towards conferences, book authors, UFO experts, UFO orgs., Forums and their advertisers, the list is prctically endless and extends to government entities as well.
If ET shows up:
Advantages:
1) Knowing that one's belief was not misplaced. 2) Moving positively to let TPTB know that they now
have our support in everything ET. 3) Being able to ask the next question: Why are they
here? 4) As one world, pressuring the world's governments to dialogue and press for help with the Earth's problem areas, for potential cures to disease, for safer, healthier, more abundant energy, climate control and a lot of other issues I've seen mentioned in Forums. 5) AND the absolute end of millions of hours of dispute.
Disadvantages:
1) World fear and apprehension. 2) Blaming others for placing the world in jeopardy. 3) Overstocking food and water, creating shortages. 4) Disregard for others in society. 5) Knowledge that the world's governments lied. 6) Difficulty controlling anarchy.
I've mentioned pretty much all along that this endeavor is definitely not a frivalous undertaking. That it was going to take courage, especially during the last minute or two before the time of execution at 5:20am. I have never made light of this fact and do sincerely believe that folks will still participate to get to the bottom of sixty plus years of suspicion, argument, accusations, anger, frustration, and what I feel is the largest area of govenmental mistrust that there is.
This event is not a prediction of an ET showing as you already know. But it will have involvement at the world level. And it will determine, at the very least, that, IF there is an ET, will telepathy on a grand scale work to influence ET to show themselves? Like I've always said: Either way it plays out, it will be an amazing day, and a very personally revealing one. In the areas of personal inner strength, overcoming fear, greater self confidence and esteem this event has good value.
Like you say uforn, nothing will probably happen. But for believers and even skeptics to become keenly aware of their strengths and weaknesses during the process might not be a bad thing.
Thanks and regards, hiflier.
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Post by prettyboyfloyd on May 7, 2011 6:33:32 GMT 1
Blah blah blah lol. Cheers:Prettyboyfloyd
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Post by onlychild on May 7, 2011 9:37:14 GMT 1
Blah blah blah lol. Cheers:Prettyboyfloyd Here's a tee-shirt iron on for you Floyd ...
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Post by prettyboyfloyd on May 8, 2011 23:36:48 GMT 1
I do believe Oc Because of seen them lol.Unlike you.And i do wear Teeshirts unlike you with your dresses you cross dresser lmfao.Know one is intrested in your brain theorys & hilflers Chess. Cheers:Prettyboyfloyd
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 1:41:58 GMT 1
Hello uglyboyfloyd,
I see you still have nothing but your bag of unsubstantiated insults to offer. And here I thought will all your references and research sources that you had something and were somebody. I hate it when I'm wrong but that's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes. Can't win 'em all.
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Post by prettyboyfloyd on May 9, 2011 2:19:16 GMT 1
hiflier Winners are grinners And im always grinning ;D Go have your milk & cookies like a good little boy now.Go play your Blackmar-Diemer Gambit go on now. Cheers:Prettyboyfloyd
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 2:33:00 GMT 1
Hello prettyboyfloyd, hiflier Winners are grinners And im always grinning ;D Go have your milk & cookies like a good little boy now.Go play your Blackmar-Diemer Gambit go on now. Cheers:Prettyboyfloyd Still nothing to offer. Chess? Already did, but what would you know, you're too busy dreaming up some mindless retort. Keep dreaming you've got a great future ahead of you. I've gone through all your links BTW. I mean not that you're interested any more or anything, just thought I'd mention it. You know, give you some ammunition for that sharp tongue of yours.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 3:00:30 GMT 1
Hello prettyboyfloyd, Thought you'd like this: ag.arizona.edu/pubs/general/resrpt2000/childrenlying.pdfDon't get me wrong now. You do have a real tendency to do that you know, although it's probably intentional for whatever reason. I'm not trying to debunk anything as debunking is a pointless endeavor IMHO. It did seem as though you were attempting to make a believer out of me with your links. BTW they weren't really links as I couldn't click on any of them, had to type it in myself but that's OK. I never mind a little effort when it comes to pursuing truth. I'm sure you are the same way. Right? Hey, if by some outside miraculous chance we ever got on the same side of an argument we could team up and take on the debate team at Oxford. We would have a ball watching them "run like pigs from a gun" as they come under the withering logic of our combined brainpower. Why we'd..............NAAAAAH!
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Post by prettyboyfloyd on May 9, 2011 11:06:17 GMT 1
hiflier Me & you Na"You just keep on waiting for Et like a good little boy now lol. Maybe stick some money under your pillow & pray hard enough they might turn up with the tooth fairy lol. Cheers:Prettyboyfloyd
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 11:57:21 GMT 1
Hello prettyboyfloyd,
Once again, nothing to offer.
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Post by prettyboyfloyd on May 9, 2011 12:12:23 GMT 1
hiflier What have you or Oc offered to this forum? Nothing but Dribble dribble & more saliva Cheers:Prettyboyfloyd
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2011 0:05:37 GMT 1
Still nothing Floyd? We'll talk when you have something, anything, to talk about. Trolling is easy. A five year old could do it, you know why? 'Cause kids DO lie. I guess you didn't know that 'cause you said children don't lie. There's a lot about ET that you don't know too. But then neither does anyone else. You know why? Because what you call "research" is anything BUT. There is no research to be had, Floyd. If there was Forums would be deserted. Surprise! They're not deserted. They are chocked full of folks because there is no research. There is only reading of reports. That is not research. Where has your so-called research brought you to? A belief? That maybe good enough for you but not for the one's I'm working with. So, you got a plan to work on the problem, maybe get to the bottom of it? You know, take some action, get involved in the solution? Let me know if you do. Until then, don't knock this one, at least until after 5:20am GMT. After that, I don't care.
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Post by uforn on May 10, 2011 0:13:53 GMT 1
Still nothing Floyd? We'll talk when you have something, anything, to talk about. Trolling is easy. A five year old could do it, you know why? 'Cause kids DO lie. I guess you didn't know that 'cause you said children don't lie. There's a lot about ET that you don't know too. But then neither does anyone else. You know why? Because what you call "research" is anything BUT. There is no research to be had, Floyd. If there was Forums would be deserted. Surprise! They're not deserted. They are chocked full of folks because there is no research. There is only reading of reports. That is not research. Where has your so-called research brought you to? A belief? That maybe good enough for you but not for the one's I'm working with. So, you got a plan to work on the problem, maybe get to the bottom of it? You know, take some action, get involved in the solution? Let me know if you do. Until then, don't knock this one, at least until after 5:20am GMT. After that, I don't care. You are having a laff arnt you ? No research to be had in the subject ? From what i can gather you and oc are out to try and make a mockery out of this subject. Not one of you has added anything to this forum..........
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2011 0:48:56 GMT 1
Hello uforn,
This is exactly what has been happening on Forums since Feb. 20. Almost 3 months of members everywhere only interested in tearing down the OP. The actual notice is soon forgotten because of folks like PBF, there's a million of 'em. WRT ET I haven't seen any more truth than what was around 50 years ago. Same old wine in brand new bottles. Meet the new evidence, just as good as the old evidence. What evidence there is isn't enough to draw an ET conclusion. Only an ET theory and theories by definition cannot be proved.
The pursuit of ET is a valid, important pursuit but there's just too many people out to intentionally muck it up. And even more who believe them. For the conspiracy folks, any truth is being held from them. For crop circle folks the debate is pretty furious. Again, with no conclusions. ALL of this hinges on discovering if ETs are real or not. OC's plan actively heads in that direction.
Whether anyone thinks it will work or not is in the realm of one's argued opinion. Debating one another's opinion will not resolve the ET issue. Never has, never will. So action is required. There is NO room for mockery here on anyone's part. OC and I are dead serious and do not take this event lightly! I can't so far say the same for those that mock US for actually doing something about it whether anyone approves of the plan or not. Taking action is the point of it all, without asking anyone's permission or sanction. If no one wants ti do it then I do not see the problem. If someone wants to do it then I do not see the problem. The idea is too damn simple to have a problem.
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Post by uforn on May 10, 2011 0:59:31 GMT 1
And your input on this forum on any other subject other than what your putting forward here is what exactly ?
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2011 1:21:13 GMT 1
Hello uforn,
The reason I'm on this Forum IS the notice. It's my total focus. That's the sole reason for this thread and it's content and all the elaborate results that have been generated because of the "banter" as it has so eloquently been termed.
I have not waivered in my focus or intent except to deal with initial unearned sessions of useless needling. Other than that I have been straight forward in every regard. I tell it as straight as I know how. The questions surrounding ET may still remain After 7/20 as there has been no guarantee of a showing nor any predictions of what may or may not happen. That would be dishonest and unrealistic. You say that nothing will happen. I agree but for differrent reasons. OC believes in ET. And millions do. I'm not the one to say this is a useless exercise. My respect for believers that want to try this approach will not allow it.
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Post by prettyboyfloyd on May 10, 2011 2:43:27 GMT 1
hiflier 92 days & counting to bullshiat: I put up a summary of actual true events.And you come back with Susan Mcginley on Children & Lying.By the University of Arizona.These are only calculated gatherings from more school kids.Without any expertise in the field what so ever lol.There wanna be scientists lol.Could you actually prove these events didnt happen in Africa Russia and Australia?.They were not links i put up.Just the events & dates.hiflier:BTW they weren't links as i couldnt click on them.Had to type in myself.Your a bright spark lol hiflier & a lazy fark.Dont think you know the meaning of research?.Travis Walton - Frederich Valentich - Kelly Cahill.Did you even bother to do a search on them?I highly bloody doubt it lol.You hiflier & the Only Child have brought nothing to this forum what so ever but your big mouths full of shiat dribbling.Do us all a big favour & dont come back now ya hear lmfao: Cheers:Prettyboyfloyd
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2011 3:01:55 GMT 1
Hello prettyboyfloyd,
Your out of control.
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