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Post by meldrew on Oct 21, 2012 7:20:23 GMT 1
There's much more to be found in the book, or on the Disclosure Project DVDs and books. Even though the information would ordinarily be labelled as "insane", it's very hard to write off Greer's credentials and accomplishments. He is a medical doctor who ran a busy ER, and he has spoken to quite a number of influential individuals quote from this link www.free-conversant.com/realtruth/989well worth having a look, heres another quote IMO, Dr. Greer is a disinfo agent, perhaps not consciously the link is about greer's book Hidden Truth, Forbidden Knowledge it reminds me of david icke, infact I thought greer was copying icke.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2012 8:55:09 GMT 1
Hello meldrew,
I do have trouble with his seemingly progressive decline into more and more esoterica. Brain tumor? Not kidding here.
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Post by meldrew on Oct 21, 2012 15:08:32 GMT 1
we need an up to date list of the chancers and hoaxsters, the noobies to the subject won't know who's who, I fear they will fall for the B/S out there and as a research forum it should be a policy to name and shame them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2012 17:48:58 GMT 1
Hello meldrew,
Couldn't agree more as there seems to be more and more of them. What should be part of the expose' is how they are linked to each other as if one's statements about the other(s) gives a certain credibility.........oh what a tangled web we weave if when we practice to deceive!
edited out "false" and inserted "certain" and spelling of decieve LOL
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Post by uforn on Oct 21, 2012 18:18:15 GMT 1
So who is going to do this project then guys? I think you should do it meldrew ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2012 18:38:48 GMT 1
Hello meldrew,
I'm already involved in a rather large one but would have time to help out wherever neeed. You have brought this kind of thing up several times now so on with it.
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Post by meldrew on Oct 22, 2012 3:49:08 GMT 1
what about a section next to respected researchers, called dodgy researchers or something like, we can add a new thread on each one we come across, and post the evidence as we come across it, that way we can keep a check on things, like slanderous comments ect, we need to be objective, looking at any good points as well as bad, there are bits and pieces scattered around the forum, it just needs putting in one place,
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Post by uforn on Oct 22, 2012 3:57:08 GMT 1
I think a rename of the section would be the best idea
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Post by meldrew on Oct 22, 2012 4:07:41 GMT 1
I think a rename of the section would be the best idea yeah, that was just an off the top quick thought to get the gist of it over
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Post by meldrew on Oct 25, 2012 19:27:23 GMT 1
Greer ups claims, Kokjohn remains unimpressedMicrobiologist Dr. Tyler Kokjohn commented on the latest incredible claims put forth by Dr. Steven Greer, suggesting Greer's lack of verifiable details make his assertions all but impossible to accept at face value. Greer continued his ongoing public discussion concerning an alleged dead extraterrestrial being, this time enhancing the storyline with alleged world authorities involved in its analysis. Kokjohn countered by pointing out Greer's tale is virtually void of any established scientific protocol whatsoever, and informed this writer that supposing any such authorities would jeopardize the validity of such an unprecedented discovery is an insult to intelligence. Kokjohn further pointed out that producing X-rays and computed tomography (CT) scans, as Greer claimed were obtained, requires certain authorization and specific equipment. Only “a damn fool or an utter ignoramus,” Kokjohn wrote on UFO UpDates List, would attempt such procedures without conditions of full biological containment, even if they received clearance to use the equipment under such extraordinary circumstances. “Who wants to get their CT scan after ET was in there?” Kokjohn asked. Kokjohn went on to inform us that the lack of opportunity for independent verification makes Greer's claims virtually meaningless from a practical perspective. He added that scientists and professional researchers most certainly know this to be the case. Dr. Kokjohn additionally wrote: Time for Disclosure Funding scientific research is always a gamble. If investigators are truly traversing uncharted territory, predicting results and anticipating experimental pitfalls may be almost impossible. How does one maximize the odds an investment in a research project will produce tangible results? Use the 3 Ds - Disclosure and due diligence. Before any money is allocated, scientists perform a detailed due diligence assessment of the investigator’s skills, the equipment available and work plans. Investigators with a strong track record of experience and publications in the areas they propose to explore, who have the necessary facilities and equipment available for their use and who put forth a clear plan of work will be favored heavily. Investigators are expected to disclose preliminary results that bolster the central research hypothesis and provide all information that will enable their proposals to be evaluated fully. In addition, investigators must stipulate that the research will be conducted following all applicable guidelines and regulations for biosafety and work with human subjects. It is very simple, if you want money, it is up to you to prove you can actually run something besides your mouth and do it safely. Dr. Greer has offered a pale imitation of the evaluative process used by scientists. He asserts recognized experts are collaborators, he (or someone) holds exciting preliminary data and research is proceeding apace. All good components of strong research, the problem is he does half a job and just quits right there. Failing to disclose the qualifications of key investigators, providing a work plan to judge or allowing not even so much as a glimpse at supporting data stymies any hope for informed, unbiased assessments completely. For a guy who carved a career niche out of demands for disclosure, he appears remarkably reluctant to either acquire full information from his collaborators or provide a full story to the public. To help those wondering whether to contribute money to his effort, Dr. Greer could disclose some of the data and allow persons unaffiliated with the project or documentary to assess the value of his results thus far. How about revealing the names and qualifications of your expert collaborators? Since they are part of a team that is working on what would be the greatest discovery of our age, wouldn’t they want to have their names front and center? What is their expert opinion of the data? Let’s see the CT data and with it the particulars regarding the equipment that produced the scans and the computational parameters employed for image acquisition. While you are at it, how about the name of the institution supporting this work – you know, the organization that allowed the use of its CT facilities, computers and technicians to acquire and analyze the images. Did anyone (like an Institutional Review Board or Biosafety Committee) express concerns about putting a dead unknown entity inside a specialized piece of rather expensive equipment? Better yet, did anyone ask about how work with a possible entity unknown to science would be conducted in a safe and responsible manner? Those are pretty easy questions, ones any scientist doing such a project would be able to answer – before any work commenced. Will the doctor follow his own prescription? www.examiner.com/article/greer-ups-claims-kokjohn-remains-unimpressed
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Post by uforn on Apr 16, 2013 17:46:57 GMT 1
Ill embed it for you floyd
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Post by prettyboyfloyd on Apr 20, 2013 15:18:32 GMT 1
Lets just all sit back and take it in lol Judge Mel Hif & see what eventuates lmao.Time will tell it always does Mr Greer hey?Prove to the world. Cheers Prettyboyfloyd
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Post by uforn on Apr 20, 2013 15:22:40 GMT 1
Lets just all sit back and take it in lol Judge Mel Hif & see what eventuates lmao.Time will tell it always does Mr Greer hey?Prove to the world. Cheers Prettyboyfloyd Everyones sitting back and waiting floyd, Greer has made a huge deal of this and promised real proof but I dare bet any money he will provide nothing.
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Post by uforn on Apr 23, 2013 13:57:44 GMT 1
Alien body recovered shows DNA not Human WORLD NEWS TOMORROW – USA – The cute little EBE alien looking thing measured about half a foot long. At first glance it looks like something you might stir your tee with if you broke off one of its bony little arms. Rumour has it that It was recovered from Chile’s Atacama Desert several years ago. Sorry no aliens here at Area 51, So much for the credit to Area 51 in Roswell. The little being was previously owned by the pub owner from the provincial capital of Iquique before it was sold to Ramón Navia-Osorio, a wealthy entrepreneur from Barcelona who runs the IIEE (Spanish acronym for Institute for Exobiological Investigation and Study), a UFO organization formed in 1975. To his credit, Ramón Navia-Osorio made an earnest effort to have the creature analyzed by reputable scientists and medical doctors, although most of them seemed reluctant to get involved and specially to put their names in a signed report with conclusions. Dr. Etxeberria wrote that, “it’s a mummified body with all typical the characteristics of a fetus. The body has a length of 14 cm and displays all the structures and anatomical links normal for the head, trunk and extremities.” He continues with a detailed description of each part of the body and finally gives his overall view, however this does not seem to make sense as this outline of the “futures” seems to be a bit too much matured to be that of the look of a fetus ! DNA not Human: The Atacama humanoid’s face. According to the DNA sequencing test results recently of the Alien or Humanoid, its seems that its not human like at all. It’s DNA classification remains unknown and is unlike any other species found. This has many specialist puzzled as the original found were discredited to be some kind of hybrid and many medical specialist demised the find to be of any value a few years ago. More important, the bones of the creature is none like that of any human, How do you explain that ? The implications is far reached as this is either a hoax or fact, however the medical DNA test results lean on the edge of a fact rather than fiction. This revelation raises all sorts of questions: If ET’s aren’t much larger than your cell phone then why are their spacecraft so big ? If the thing really is an alien body found in a South American desert years ago, why are we only finding out about it now ? Why didn’t it make international news at the time, and why weren’t the scientific tests that will supposedly prove its extraterrestrial origins done years ago? What would a single alien body without a spaceship, other occupants or even any G.I. Joe-scale helmet or ray gun be doing alone in the desert ? Source: www.worldnewstomorrow.com/?p=7827
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Post by uforn on Apr 23, 2013 14:25:49 GMT 1
f Im not mistaken this documentary went public yesterday, I wonder if any members have seen it yet ? Quote: According to the DNA sequencing test results recently of the Alien or Humanoid, its seems that its not human like at all. It’s DNA classification remains unknown and is unlike any other species found. This has many specialist puzzled as the original found were discredited to be some kind of hybrid and many medical specialist demised the find to be of any value a few years ago. More important, the bones of the creature is none like that of any human, How do you explain that ? The implications is far reached as this is either a hoax or fact, however the medical DNA test results lean on the edge of a fact rather than fiction.
Id like to know which Lab carried out the DNA tests ?
Has there been any secondary DNA tests done at any other Labs ?
Who is this Dr. Etxeberria ?
Why would a credible Scientist publish his findings in a Documentary ? Science doesnt work like this ?
Lots of questions, lets hope this Documentary gets posted on youtube soon.
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Post by uforn on Apr 23, 2013 14:59:11 GMT 1
Check this out guys n gals, Ive been looking over the Sirius website to try and find out any new information from the horse's mouth. A guy called Dr. Garry Nolan has done a full report report on this and here are his finding's ~ Links to look at ~ siriusdisclosure.com/evidence/atacama-humanoid/Dr. Garry Nolans Report ~ siriusdisclosure.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Chile-Specimen_GPN-Summary.pdfQuoted text from the PDF ~ To further investigate the specimen, and to determine possible genetic drivers of its observed morphology, tissue from the specimen was subjected to whole genome sequencing. 3 milligrams of tissue was used to prepare 12.5 micrograms of purified genomic DNA. The DNA was of high quality, showing little to no serious degradation. DNA was subjected to Illumina library preparation and sequencing on Illumina Miseq (PE250x2), Genome Analyzer IIX (SR36x1), and Hiseq 2000 PE100x2) sequencing platforms according to manufacturer’s protocols. Over 560 million paired end sequence reads passed automated quality control filters and provided an estimate 19.6X coverage for the whole genome. Approximately 509 million (~91%) reads were mapped to the human reference genome hg19 (providing a 17.7 fold coverage of the genome). The presence of ~9% “unmatched” DNA should not be interpreted to represent anything unusual about the specimen itself. Reasons for the lack of match can include artefacts generated during library preparation, low quality reads from the instrument, or insufficient data to allow computational alignment against the human reference standard. Further, since this sample is likely to be at the least a few decade olds, and possibly older, DNA degradation resulting in apparently “false” mutations can occur. For instance, degradation of cytosine (C) via deamination to uracil (U) would result in false interpretation of a C residue as thymidine (T) and a resulting guanine (G) misread as adenine (A) on the opposite strand. Reconstruction of the mitochondrial DNA sequence and analysis shows an allele frequency consistent with a B2 haplotype group found on the west coast of South America, supporting the claimed origination of the specimen from the Atacama Desert region of Chile. Sequence analysis definitively rules out the specimen as an example of a New World primate.Preliminary results demonstrate no statistically relevant alterations of genes encoding proteins commonly associated with known genes for primordial dwarfism or other forms of dwarfism. Therefore, if there is a genetic basis for the symptoms observed in the specimen the casual mutation(s) are not apparent at this level of resolution and at this stage of the analysis. As the current list of human disorders is far from complete and many human disorders are polygenic, there might remain to be found a combination of mutations working in concert that lead to the observed defect(s). Next steps: This preliminary report demonstrates how currently available biomedical technologies can be readily applied to the analysis of archeologically and anthropologically relevant human specimens with genetic disorders of unknown origin. This report is not a formal conclusion on the nature of the mutations or the underlying cause of the disorder in this human specimen. Currently the data represents (conservatively) a 15 fold whole genome reading and as such is insufficient for definitive conclusions. Future plans include continued study of this specimen to establish up to a 50 fold WHS read that could point to targeted sequencing of hypothetical causal mutations. Comparison of the observed sequence variations against recently developed ethnically focused genome databases is planned. Full analysis of the DNA, and attempts to link genetics to morphology, will eventually follow in an appropriately peer-reviewed article in an accredited scientific journal. The results will be independently verified before publication.siriusdisclosure.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Chile-Specimen_GPN-Summary.pdf
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Post by uforn on Apr 23, 2013 15:29:39 GMT 1
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Post by Electra on Apr 23, 2013 15:44:14 GMT 1
... And here it is the Full Sirius Documentary
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Post by uforn on Apr 23, 2013 15:57:24 GMT 1
Excellent Elektra watching it before it gets took down
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Post by uforn on Apr 23, 2013 16:39:55 GMT 1
15 mins in already they are showing some well know Hoaxed footage so far its just as I expected.
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Post by uforn on Apr 23, 2013 17:13:03 GMT 1
Damn it!!! I got to see 20 mins before it got took down just like I suspected arrrghh
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Post by uforn on Apr 24, 2013 16:38:43 GMT 1
This is still up Electra Ive just watched it all thanks It was a lot better than I thought it was going to be based on the first 20 mins I got to watch yesterday. So it turns out this Alien has the DNA of a Human mother, (Test's were done by Stanford University along with another 3) there are no known deformaties that could cause this condition, however alot more tests need to be done, anyone see a connections to Lloyd Pye's starchild skull ?
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