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Post by Eben Yblod on Jan 31, 2014 20:23:16 GMT 1
I wonder how relevant it is that Col Halt is so insistant that Larry Warren was not seen & therefore was not there. Halt was a big noise in the military & its possible he has been manipulated . After all , his career flourished after 1980 while Warren was castigated & de-faced.
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Post by uforn on Jan 31, 2014 22:13:54 GMT 1
I wonder how relevant it is that Col Halt is so insistant that Larry Warren was not seen & therefore was not there. Halt was a big noise in the military & its possible he has been manipulated . After all , his career flourished after 1980 while Warren was castigated & de-faced. Its been a while since I delved into this case, since Jim Penniston came out in 2010 claiming he wrote binary numbers down from touching the craft, Ive had a hard time believing any of them.
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Post by Eben Yblod on Feb 4, 2014 14:47:23 GMT 1
Agreed.Penniston's recent revelations add weight to those that see the incident as nothing more than bunkum.It also casts doubt over Warrens claims . I spoke to Larry Warren & to Nick Pope , both are adamant that what happened at Rendlesham will never be fully explained.
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Post by uforn on Feb 5, 2014 0:12:52 GMT 1
Agreed.Penniston's recent revelations add weight to those that see the incident as nothing more than bunkum.It also casts doubt over Warrens claims . I spoke to Larry Warren & to Nick Pope , both are adamant that what happened at Rendlesham will never be fully explained. Ive always believed (and still do) that Nick Pope knows more than he's letting on. In fact he even says on his own website that he would not talk about any documents he had seen on the case unless they had been released by the Government. Quote:
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Post by ronologic on Feb 5, 2014 2:33:32 GMT 1
"...obviously couldn’t talk about such matters anyway, at least until an official decision to release them has been made." EXACTLY why I believe emphatically that ALL books, articles, interviews, or whatever is printed or spoken by a present or past member of any government or intelligence agency has not only been been cleared to do so but what to say and/or write, death bed confessions not excluded.
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Post by uforn on Feb 5, 2014 16:59:24 GMT 1
Later in the same article Nick Pope goes on to say~
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Post by astropete on Feb 25, 2014 20:04:12 GMT 1
I've actually been speaking with people about this very recently. I put forward a couple of ideas and we had very lengthy talk about it via email. We agreed that something definitely happened there. We also agreed that Kevin Conde's story of it being just a practical joke is incredibly implausible 1) because it came out so long after events (2001), the idea of a practical joke is surely to get let people know it was a joke and say "HAHA! Got you!" and 2) that to create a practical joke of that magnitude, including the lights, the flying, triangular UFO, the static electicity in the air would take a massive visual effects unit, several models, miles of wiring, generators... I doubt ILM could put it off.
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Post by uforn on Feb 26, 2014 3:29:33 GMT 1
For me I dont think that this was a UFO event at all, Im leaning more to it being some kind of black project, maybe some kind of experimental drone to test the response of the personel on the base with such an unusual test that had never been done before to see what knid of reaction they would get.
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Post by astropete on Feb 26, 2014 10:35:18 GMT 1
Yes, it may have been a drone. Unfortunately, as with many cases, there's not enough objective evidence on any side of the argument to say exactly what it was. The most interesting evidence, the photos, didn't come out, either due to radiation or deliberately. The tape did, but I'm not sure how, since in a memo it states that tape recorders (which is likely a typo of tape recordings) were all given to General Gabriel. I don't think the tape was leaked to cause a sensation or bring fame and fortune, as neither of the men involved seems to have become rich from interviews or public appearances. We only have a number of speculations: 1) Drone, either Russian, UK or US, (possible as it was runoured that nuclear weapons were there) 2)A joke, (I really don't think so. Too elaborate. Plus its a top secret base, it would be irresponsible) 3) Some sort of experiment, (Not impossible, there have been rumoured cases of Govt's performing experiments on soldiers) 4) A massive case of misidentification, (Likely with the lights, but what of the triangle? That goes back to the drone idea again) 5) Hallucinations caused by drugs or drink, (It'd be foolish to think drink and drugs didn't happen, but I doubt it would be huge) 6)A strange, natural phenomenon, (not impossible as there are many things that science has yet to discover about the natural world) 6) Alien visitation. (Aliens have never been proven to exist.. Nor have they been proven not to exist. But if they do, why would they be here, how would they get here? The questions on this one are endless)
On top of the possible explanations there's the visit from the mysterious MIB's, the allegations that truth serum was used, the way the story has been denied or attempted to be discredited.
It's clear that something went on there, but without more data anything we say is pure speculation. It is clear, however, that the US military were/are hiding something.
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Post by uforn on Feb 26, 2014 19:21:22 GMT 1
You missed out the light house theory Pete, I agree that anything we say is just speculation, as for them not making any profit from the interviews or public appearances, I have to disagree. Most of them do all the big conferences, they are in almost every documentary series that gets shown on TV and DVD, I think they make quite a good profit from telling their storys.
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Post by astropete on Feb 26, 2014 19:47:57 GMT 1
Oops that lighthouse... Forgot about that We'll put that in as number 7... Though, in all honesty, if these supposedly highly trained soldier/airmen had been spooked by a light house that was 5 miles away, I'd have to wonder how they ever made it through basic training.
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Post by uforn on Feb 26, 2014 19:59:07 GMT 1
Oops that lighthouse... Forgot about that We'll put that in as number 7... Though, in all honesty, if these supposedly highly trained soldier/airmen had been spooked by a light house that was 5 miles away, I'd have to wonder how they ever made it through basic training. Yeah the light house theory is the least plausible, you also have to wonder why the main witnesses have exagerated their claims over the years, was that to keep the story going or was it to gain profits from documentary makers and orginizers of conferences ?
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Post by astropete on Feb 26, 2014 22:06:00 GMT 1
I reckon something did happen and the guys have put a new spin on it to keep it interesting. Let's face it, 95% of the civilized world is going to brand them to be nuts just for saying they saw a UFO, so they're not likely to get jobs working for the army again (unless there really is a secret UFO project), so they have to make money somewhere. I doubt the military pensions are going to cut it.
Almost everyone who's involved in some sort of incident, terrorist attack, plane crash, bomb scare, or natural disaster, and lives to tell the tale gets to write a book, give interviews, or make a movie. Look at the movie "The Impossible", for example. Why should these guys be any different?
I don't blame them for wanting to make some cash from the experience. But I'm not convinced that was the whole motivation for revealing what they saw. I think the money motivation only came afterward.
But, again, it's all speculation. We're never going to know the truth, and if one of them did tell a different story somewhere down the line you'd get some people saying that he made it up, that he was forced to change his story by "shadowy figures", that he's had some sort of mental relapse... The list is endless.
So you'll never know what to believe anyway. And I think that's the whole problem with the UFO mystery. Too many twists, turns, leads, sources, arguments, counter arguments, conspiracies, hoaxes, fraudsters, so if someone genuine does come along they'd probably never be believed anyway.
Of course that doesn't mean that I'm just going to give up and say "it's all a waste of time because you'll never know". Without turning this into a religious debate, there are some belief systems which many more people consider to be more plausible than the UFO phenomenon , and they're based on evidence, and books, that we don't know if they were real historical accounts or works of fiction.
It's a mystery, and I like mysteries.
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Post by uforn on Feb 28, 2014 18:42:16 GMT 1
I agree we are never going to know the truth on this case, all we will ever know for sure is that something happened other than that we are still in the dark.
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