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Post by Laurance on Jun 29, 2010 19:02:16 GMT 1
I have recently been talking to Mr Lloyd Pye, the now owner of the Starchild skull, and thought i'd bring the topic up here for the discussion of the members. Here is a brief history of the skull, taken from the offical Website. The known history of the Starchild Skull begins in the 1930s, when an American teenage girl was on vacation with her family near Mexico's Copper Canyon region. She went exploring alone and found a long-abandoned mine tunnel. Inside it she found a full human skeleton lying on its back. Beside it was a grave-like mound of dirt with an arm bone sticking out of the dirt and the hand bones wrapped around the upper arm bone of the skeleton lying on the surface. Using her hands she dug the buried skeleton out of its shallow grave.
The girl attempted to recover both skeletons but lost most of the bones in a flash flood. Ultimately, all she brought back to her home in El Paso was the two skulls, both somewhat battered in the flood, and a detached piece of maxilla that belonged to the "misshapen" skeleton she found in the grave. For the remainder of her life she kept both skulls in a cardboard box as souvenirs of her trip, assuming the odd looking skull was the result of some kind of human deformity.
The woman died in the early 1990s, and in 1998 the two skulls were given to Ray and Melanie Young of El Paso, Texas. Melanie, a neonatal nurse and physical therapist who understood that the "misshapen" skull was in no way the result of a typical human deformity. She was determined to have it expertly evaluated to find out what it really was. To do that, she and her husband Ray enlisted the help of Lloyd Pye, an author and researcher in the field of alternative knowledge, who became the skull's caretaker and research coordinator.
Lloyd Pye founded the Starchild Project in February of 1999, and in the course of the past ten years has overseen the scientific testing of the skull in three countries (the US, Canada, and England). While doing that he has regularly informed the media and the public about those results, and he continues to oversee ongoing research that will lead to an ultimate definitive conclusion about the unusual skull. So what does everyone think of this unusual piece? Could it be nothing more than a birth defect like Hutchison-Gilford progeria? Or is it truely a hybrid with a Human Mother and unknown alien father? Here is the offical site:- www.starchildproject.com/
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Post by uforn on Jun 29, 2010 19:28:33 GMT 1
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Post by uforn on Jun 29, 2010 19:32:14 GMT 1
Hey Manxboz you said in your op: that youve been talking to Lloyd Pye would you be able to get him to sign up here to discuss this with us
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Post by Laurance on Jun 29, 2010 20:41:08 GMT 1
I can ask him, at the moment he is travelling in Spain and the UK and won't be back till the 15th July, but i'll ask him then. Who knows what we'll get.
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Post by uforn on Jun 30, 2010 0:35:29 GMT 1
Ill search and get some more info on this m8 i used to have loads on it including the dna reports etc.... they were on my laptop but the harddrive failed so ill have to go off memory and hunt the net
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Post by Laurance on Jun 30, 2010 2:04:37 GMT 1
These are the photos of the DNA results:- Mr Pye is currently in Europe trying to get more money so he may get some more advanced tests to try and recover the Male DNA from the samples.
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Post by mrindigo on Jun 30, 2010 4:11:56 GMT 1
Lloyd Pye is an interesting person. I've periodically checked in on the star child skull analysis. This thread is pretty good. I'll check back to see if Pye may have some time to spare. That would be great.
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Post by uforn on Jul 7, 2010 0:57:00 GMT 1
Nuclear DNA Taken From Starchild Skull Published: 12:09 PM 3/22/2010 We finally have a recovery of nuclear DNA from the Starchild! This past weekend I met with the geneticist working on the Starchild's DNA. He explained how he can now prove the Starchild is not entirely human, which has been our position for years. Now it is no longer a question of "if," but of "when" and "how" we spread this astounding new reality beyond the mailing list. First, though, let me bring the list's newcomers up to speed. In 2003 we had a DNA analysis that used human-only primers to recover the Starchild's mitochondrial DNA, the DNA outside the nucleus, which comes from the mother and her genetic line. That meant its mother was human. But we could not recover its nuclear DNA, which comes from both mother and father, which meant its father was not a human. Unfortunately, with the recovery technology of 2003 we couldn't prove what he was, which left us in scientific limbo. The "no result" from the search for the nuclear DNA clearly meant Dad wasn't human, but we could not prove that fact beyond all possible doubt. Now, in 2010, there have been many improvements in the recovery process, and those improvements have been applied to the Starchild skull with the stunning result you see below. This is a gel sheet that shows a clear recovery of its nuclear DNA, which could not be done in 2003. The national genetic database at the National Institute of Health, NIH public-access database is a centralized repository of all genetic information generated by geneticists all over the world, and now covers essentially all living organisms on Earth, from various kinds of viruses and bacteria, to various kinds of crustaceans and fish, to all kinds of animals and plants, including great apes and humans. For many species, humans included, there are already nucleotide sequences covering entire genomes. Therefore, sequences from the Starchild's DNA can be directly compared against this vast database to look for any matches. In one such comparison, you see the text below the blue line at the bottom (if you can read it, sorry it's so fuzzy) that 265 base pairs (a good length) of recovered Starchild nuclear DNA matches perfectly with a gene on human chromosome 1. This verifies beyond any degree of doubt that some of the nuclear DNA seen in the gel sheet is from a human being. You see the stunning report that in a string of 342 base pairs (another good length), "No significant similarity (is) found." To recover a stretch of base pairs as long as that with NO reference in the NIH database is astounding because it means there is no known earthly corollary for what has been analyzed! This incredible anomaly will put the Starchild in history books!!! Please understand that this result has now been verified several times, and a few more different fragments have been identified that cannot be matched in this database to anything known. Despite that fact, mainstream skeptics will be obligated by their positions to try to say it's some kind of gibberish or some kind of mistake because in their world view it simply can't be true. Luckily, their bleating protests can be easily overcome with continued repetition of the result, finding more and more similar fragments in the library that will be created from the Starchild's DNA, which is what the geneticist is confident will happen over the next weeks and months---nothing but verification that a significant part of the Starchild's genome is not found on Earth. I should add that I still can't reveal the name of the geneticist or where he works until we are ready to formally present his results to the world. However, trust me, he is a well-established professional and his facility is large and very credible. They don't want to be bombarded by media until they are prepared for it, and neither do I for that matter. Just know that you are a part of the "inner circle" of those who have put your faith in a dream that is now coming true. Two more issues of importance: (1) I still don't know where the recent "MonsterQuest" episode "Lizard Monster" can be viewed on the internet by people outside the U.S. If anyone knows how that can be found, please let me know and I'll share with the list. Thanks! (2) The expenses for materials doing our research has now outstripped the amount donated by the list. It is now coming out of my pocket and I could use some help to bridge that gap. However, look on the bright side. This should be the last time I ever have to ask for your help in this way. ;-) Lloyd Pye www.LloydPye.com
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Post by coco on Jul 7, 2010 21:38:01 GMT 1
I'm glad to hear this progress has been made. He's committed himself to this and won't give up until he has an answer. I recall in a vid he said he's practically had to take a vow of poverty for this project.
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Post by Laurance on Aug 11, 2010 13:41:22 GMT 1
A new video is available for viewing on the Starchild website. It is 9:51 of highlights from a lecture filmed by Jonathan Kerr-Smith in London. It briefly covers some background issues, but focuses strongly on the latest genetic developments, hopefully making clear their historic importance.
In addition to the video, below is a message from our geneticist to make clear what we have and what we hope to do with it when we secure the money we need to proceed. If you know any millionaires who might have open minds, and whom you can personally contact on our behalf, please let them know we're still looking for our investor. We'll be happy to provide to them proof of our project's legitimacy, and its outstanding prospects for return on investment. "Sequencing the Starchild's genome from the bone samples is technically similar to what has been done with the Neanderthal genome, with the great advantage that any kind of contamination, including human DNA, can be easily ruled out by comparison with existing databases of genome sequences. What we seek are stretches of sequences that are not even similar to any existing species from the animal kingdom. Essentially, we are looking for DNA proof of a new, previously unknown, species. We already have several stretches of such DNA that does not show any similarity to species within the animal kingdom. Yet the final conclusion about a new species can be accomplished only when we recover DNA sequences that can be translated into a protein with a predictable function." As you see, he's saying we definitely have proof that part of the Starchild's nuclear DNA is not found within Earth's animal kingdom. Unfortunately, his discovery is only partial, not yet enough to slam the lid shut on skeptics. But that is coming. When he has the entire genome in hand, enough to translate some sequences into never-before-seen proteins, that will nail the lid tight and change history forever. It is within our grasp to do that right now. All we need is help finishing the job that is already well underway. Lloyd
This was sent to me by Mr Pye himself, it is very interesting. If you haven't checked it out visit the site at:- www.starchildproject.com/
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Post by Laurance on Aug 19, 2010 4:13:59 GMT 1
Latest Update on the Starchild Skull. The good news is that the 10-minute Starchild video posted 10 days ago now has nearly 110,000 views! That's 11,000 per day! I could be wrong, but I think that's as close to viral as it gets in the world of alternative knowledge. It's certainly the most immediate and widespread reaction for anything relating to the Starchild. For those who missed it, here's another chance to view it.
The lucky breaks are twofold. First, the video's popularity helped us finally get a few nibbles on our investment deal. A couple of well-connected deal makers are trying to help us find the kind of person we need. I have not been this confident and hopeful since we lined up the gentleman who had the stroke. When the full story of the Starchild's ups and downs is finally told, that will be one of the very lowest downs. It hammered me almost flat. The other lucky break is that a trio of credentialed scientists have contacted me to say they are behind what we're trying to do with the Starchild, and they will be willing to help in any way they can once the process is underway. Two are geneticists and one is a microbiologist. I'm sure more will offer support. Naturally, several other scientists have contacted me in outrage, demanding to know who our geneticist is and what lab he works for. They insist I have no right to make any claims about the Starchild until fully accredited "experts" like themselves examine everything we've done to confirm that it is "legitimate," and THEN we should submit our work for peer review so it can be published in a mainstream journal. Only THEN, they insist, will we have "earned" the right to say anything about what the Starchild Skull might or might not be. Needless to say, I tell those people in the politest possible way to stick their gripes where the sun don't shine, pointing out that if we did it their way we'd never get it done. That idiotic peer review policy is why they accomplish so little, and why what they do accomplish is nothing but fractional movement forward, never any giant leaps. Their cringing cowardice in the face of radical new ideas always brings to mind the famous Rupert Sheldrake quote: Science in its ideology sees itself as doing a fearless exploration of the unknown. Most of the time it is a fearful exploration of the almost known. Another one that seems relevant comes from Gary Zukov, author of The Dancing Wu Li Masters. Acceptance without proof is the fundamental characteristic of western religion. Rejection without proof is the fundamental characteristic of western science. The poison pill in the subject line is that once again I have to open myself up to the scathing criticism I receive every time I have to ask for a bit of financial support. I'm sure you've noticed I do it as seldom as possible because I hate so much to deal with the "You're only in it for the money!" flack that rains down on me every time. It's like the critics lie in wait for their chance to pounce, as if that somehow will diminish or negate the value of the work I'm doing. Like everyone, I have to face monthly bills, and some rubber will meet the road for me in September. Beyond that, I think I'll be in good shape for the duration. The new movement toward potential investors should culminate in September or October at the latest. That's the momentum I'm feeling right now.
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Post by uforn on Oct 4, 2010 3:07:45 GMT 1
Is it alien or human? A replica of the skull (right). Photo: Chris Sant Fournier A teenage girl crawled into a long-abandoned mine tunnel in Mexico in the 1930s and came across two skeletons – one of which was unlike anything previously found on Earth. Or so the story goes. Eight decades later, the extraordinary skull of the smaller skeleton – described as being unlike any specimen in recorded medical history by a team of 11 medical specialists – is at the centre of a disagreement, between scientists and paranormal researchers, about its significance. It is the skull of a severely deformed child who suffered from a rare medical condition, say the many sceptical scientists and medical experts. Wrong, says ‘alternative knowledge’ expert Lloyd Pye and other paranormal researchers; it is the ‘Starchild Skull’ – a skull belonging to an alien-human hybrid. There are endless pages on the internet devoted to the significance of the skull, and Mr Pye is in Malta to reassure believers and persuade legions of sceptics that conclusive proof of the alien-human hybrid theory is not far away. “Scientists are afraid because when we get the final confirmation it will change everything they have been taught to believe about human history. Everyone is afraid to challenge their beliefs because they’re not sure if they can handle the alternative,” he told The Sunday Times. Scientists have certainly had the opportunity to study the skull since it was passed to Mr Pye in 1998 by its then owners, who could not accept that the misshapen skull was the result of human deformity. Its owners believed its characteristics were similar to that of so-called ‘grey’ aliens – supposedly bulb-headed creatures which UFO enthusiasts believe are commonly involved in alien abductions. Mr Pye, who at that time specialised in the study of Hominoids – that’s Big Foot, the Yeti and friends – began contacting specialists for a conclusive explanation for the skull’s many differences to a normal, healthy human skull. He said many scientists and medical specialists refused to even consider examining the skull, but the more he learnt about it from experts who did agree to examine it, the more he became convinced it was not totally human. It seemed the hybrid skull theory was shattered in 1999, however, when a DNA test found standard X and Y chromosomes when samples were taken – evidence that the child was not only human, but that both of his parents must have been human as well. However, Mr Pye believed the samples were contaminated and had it re-tested by a different lab in 2004, which managed to recover mitochondrial DNA, but not nuclear DNA. This meant either the nuclear DNA was too degraded to recover, or the DNA from the father was too different from that of a human to be detected. This year, the skull was tested by an ultra high-tech genetic lab, which was unable to match part of the nuclear DNA samples to any other samples in the enormous genetic database at the US National Institutes of Health. Mr Pye is convinced it is only a matter of time before the geneticist can prove conclusively that a significant part of the Starchild’s genome cannot be found on Earth today. Lloyd Pye will address the ‘2012 – A Positive Outcome’ conference at the Grand Hotel Excelsior, Valletta, on Saturday. Source: www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20101003/local/is-it-alien-or-human
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Post by gaag on Oct 11, 2010 1:10:13 GMT 1
Very interesting topic this, I've followed it for a while. I hear he's speaking at the Wake Up Call event in Edinburgh also.
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Post by Laurance on Oct 26, 2010 9:10:18 GMT 1
He is in the UK next month (November) if I had the time and money I would go . Maybe next year if he is back in the UK I will go
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Post by prettyboyfloyd on Dec 18, 2010 14:19:46 GMT 1
The Starchild skull What an amazing true story.Full credit on Lloyds Pye as the caretaker it couldnt be in better hands.Why are scientists & the society sceptics to blind to see the actual truth?This is the proof.Why are people so stubborn to except the facts.This is true reality right in front of your farkn eyes lol.Science doesnt lie only Scientists do.To simply cover up a fact.That cannot be explained?or they dont want to go into lol.The Elongated head skulls found in Russia & South America & Bulgaria & Egypt & Mayan & Inca.And the Giant human skeletons found world wide?Why is society ignoring this? still to this day?To me this is the best discoverys in the world to date.People should know the true facts in life.Even though it cannot be explained.These are not born with deficiencys lol.Use a common sense approach on life & be very open minded k.Nothing to date of this era has been born like them? to this day.Alot happend many years ago before our era.I truly believe in the ancient alien theory. Please Judge 357 Chev lol.Colud you possibly put up the footages of Ancient Alien Skulls & Giant Humans Then people might know Wtf im on about lol. Cheers:Prettyboyfloyd Skywatcher
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Post by uforn on Dec 18, 2010 14:29:56 GMT 1
The Starchild skull What an amazing true story.Full credit on Lloyds Pye as the caretaker it couldnt be in better hands.Why are scientists & the society sceptics to blind to see the actual truth?This is the proof.Why are people so stubborn to except the facts.This is true reality right in front of your farkn eyes lol.Science doesnt lie only Scientists do.To simply cover up a fact.That cannot be explained?or they dont want to go into lol.The Elongated head skulls found in Russia & South America & Bulgaria & Egypt & Mayan & Inca.And the Giant human skeletons found world wide?Why is society ignoring this? still to this day?To me this is the best discoverys in the world to date.People should know the true facts in life.Even though it cannot be explained.These are not born with deficiencys lol.Use a common sense approach on life & be very open minded k.Nothing to date of this era has been born like them? to this day.Alot happend many years ago before our era.I truly believe in the ancient alien theory. Please Judge 357 Chev lol.Colud you possibly put up the footages of Ancient Alien Skulls & Giant Humans Then people might know Wtf im on about lol. Cheers:Prettyboyfloyd Skywatcher Hey floyd, Elongated skulls are caused by skull binding, many tribes even today practice this. The real question is, is why do they do it and where or whom did they get it from ? Could it be they were trying to resemble Ancient Aliens / Gods they worshipped ? Have you got the links to the footage you want me to put up m8?
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Post by prettyboyfloyd on Dec 18, 2010 15:10:03 GMT 1
Skull binding fair call Judge. But look at the links i said lol. Ancient Alien Skulls Giant Humans. This is truly unexplained.Im sure you can pull a rabbit out your arse budd lol.I found after Lloyd pye preview.Search you will find lol. Cheers amigo Prettyboyfloyd
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Post by uforn on Dec 18, 2010 15:25:52 GMT 1
Skull binding fair call Judge. But look at the links i said lol. Ancient Alien Skulls Giant Humans. This is truly unexplained.Im sure you can pull a rabbit out your arse budd lol.I found after Lloyd pye preview.Search you will find lol. Cheers amigo Prettyboyfloyd Have you got any website links to what you refer to floyd ?
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Post by prettyboyfloyd on Dec 18, 2010 15:27:14 GMT 1
And just another thought?Judge Why would Africans with Elongated heads move up to Russia or Bulgaria?lol its to bloody cold lmao. Cheers:Prettyboyfloyd
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Post by meldrew on Dec 18, 2010 15:32:59 GMT 1
the answer to why this isn't taken seriously by the scientific community is due to the testing, this was done privately and not by a government registered facility, unless the government test the skull then theres no evidence and thats that, but when the government are given evidence to test, it seems to get misplaced, the big catch 22
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Post by uforn on Dec 18, 2010 15:43:27 GMT 1
And just another thought?Judge Why would Africans with Elongated heads move up to Russia or Bulgaria?lol its to bloody cold lmao. Cheers:Prettyboyfloyd Youve got to look at the Big picture floyd, the earth goes through cycle's from severe drought's to severe ice ages, its happend many times in the past and can be proven by science. It's not out the realm for say africans to migrate north in a drought in search for richer lands and bringing there customs with them such as skull binding. It may well have been a much warmer climate when they decided to go north.
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Post by uforn on Dec 18, 2010 15:52:01 GMT 1
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Post by prettyboyfloyd on Dec 18, 2010 16:16:04 GMT 1
Theres more than just one Skull that needs to be tested Meldrew. Theres shiatloads lol.Did you ever watch bram stockers dracular?Theres a luv heart skull & a pumpkin shaped & an Et shaped & a Demon shaped & many Grey Skull heads & others.Maybe there all bullshiat lol.But watch the footages & make up your own mind?And as for the Giant humans over 20 foot long & more.They did exist.There was a race of Giants.Where & how they come who knows?Surely they aint been binded & strecthed to the shiathouse lol.Highly doubt it bro Meldrew lol. Full credit to Lloyd Pye. Starting all this off. Cheers:Prettyboyfloyd
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Post by prettyboyfloyd on Dec 18, 2010 16:28:02 GMT 1
Thanks heaps Judge. The Giant humans is betterer lol. Cheers:Prettyboyfloyd
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Post by meldrew on Dec 18, 2010 17:21:07 GMT 1
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Post by prettyboyfloyd on Dec 21, 2010 21:59:29 GMT 1
Giant Humans www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-8bVEIVUh8&feature=player_embedded#! Why is there not humans born today as big as the ones found many years ago?These were a species of giants created from another world or from another world?Any thoughts or opinions would be much appreaciated thanks. Cheers:Prettyboyfloyd
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Post by prettyboyfloyd on Dec 22, 2010 0:12:44 GMT 1
Thanks heaps Judge360 But i think its on the right thread Ancient Aliens.The theory of these Giant Humans was the Falling Angels mating with Woman on planet Earth?But i do understand where your coming from on a differ thread m8 theres shiatloads to watch lol.Very intresting stuff. Cheers:Prettyboyfloyd
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Post by uforn on Dec 22, 2010 0:25:20 GMT 1
Thanks heaps Judge360 But i think its on the right thread Ancient Aliens.The theory of these Giant Humans was the Falling Angels mating with Woman on planet Earth?But i do understand where your coming from on a differ thread m8 theres shiatloads to watch lol.Very intresting stuff. Cheers:Prettyboyfloyd I meant its own thread within the Ancient Aliens section floyd, as were discussing it in The StarChild Skull thread at the mo
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