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Post by Laurance on Apr 8, 2013 7:51:12 GMT 1
We can speculate but that doesn't mean it is correct. That's all we can do. Unfortunately. We cannot even trust so called whistle blowers.
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Post by Laurance on Apr 8, 2013 7:46:15 GMT 1
Or could be copycats or the sub-conscious linking onto previously seen information. There are always cases where only one instance or sighting has occurred of an animal and it takes years before another is even seen. So we cannot rule out something based on how many or little other cases there has been. Not unless the cases are purposely held from the public. We can speculate but that doesn't mean it is correct.
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Post by Laurance on Apr 7, 2013 9:51:02 GMT 1
Well Laurance, I am glad that you spoke up. I have been very lucky in my life to know Senators and Congressmen and women from the Congress and House of Representatives and even White House personnel. The FOIA even empowers me more if you know "Who to speak with". It has taken me years and years to work my way into this group and it has really paid off. The trouble is what to write and not write here at UFONR. Life can get hard real quick for even free public information concerning UFO,s and all related issues. So on a one on one relationship I can tell Heaps of information and then on the other hand I can not. Nobody here uses the email address I have given and I can not help that. But you buy the drinks for Government officials and record the whole thing it is worth the 200 to 300 Dollars for 2 hours of effort and you get information whether it is disinformation or not. I will pay the money and stay on the inside. Does that make sense Laurance? Email addresses? It does make sense. In todays world it is more of who you know rather than what you know. When Henry Stevens was doing research work on Nazi Submarines captured containing Nuclear Materials he kept turning up blanks because they only search for what you ask for, when in reality they are kept under different names. Same applied for Joseph Farrel when looking for information about Foo Fighters encountered by the USAAF, his requests kept turning up blanks because the records are kept under different names other than Foo Fighters etc.
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Post by Laurance on Apr 7, 2013 9:47:46 GMT 1
Also if petitions/public pressure means nothing, how do you explain the release of file pertaining to UFOs already? You do know that was because of public pressure and interest at the time. In the last two years interest from the public has dwindled. It happens every so often, the public get an interest in something, the government release things to keep them quiet, then the public move on to the next thing. The UK documents really don't hold a candle to what the USA documents could contain. Who's the say they are the true thing? Why are they releasing just a few at a time? Time to hide the truth even further or create a believable fabrication? I always am skeptical of anything a governmental body releases. Yes, it is a real possibility that the documents contain disinformation. The fact is many agencies twist reports, which then get twisted by another agency, so on and so forth. These Agencies work alone, most people think they work together on some plot to twist the truth, but the fact is they all work behind each others back. People may know of the Spitsbergan UFO crash of 1952, a document released in the 90's (I have since lost said information but will attempt to find it again) showed that it was indeed a CIA invented ploy to test Soviet reactions, they fed it to the Newspaper that then reported it as fact and it spread into UFO folklore. But within many documents there is small kernels of truth and that is why it would be interesting to see these documents. The problem we have today is many are fabricated hoaxes of the public or twisted stories of the intelligence community. How we separate fact from fiction is a long, difficult process.
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Post by Laurance on Apr 4, 2013 9:51:40 GMT 1
It was reported that in September 2011 a sample that was sent via Fedex to the Arizona State University's School of Earth and Space Exploration in Tempe (ASU) disappeared and just an empty package was opened upon the work bench of Professor Lynda Williams, Ph.D., “I just found your Fedex in our main office, opened it on the lab bench and found nothing in the plastic holder. Did you forget to put it in?” Dr. Williams wrote. “I'm sorry, but it's just not there!” [...] Source: ufotrail.blogspot.co.uk/2011/09/sample-of-kimblers-roswell-debris.htmlThese type of stories creep up all the time. I wouldn't be surprised if it was faked or they deliberately didn't put the sample in to get this sort of reaction. Then they could milk the 'This is evidence of government tampering'.
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Post by Laurance on Apr 4, 2013 9:50:36 GMT 1
Could this not be from a meteorite? The isotopes would be different to earths. It could be, that would be a likely explanation. Meteorites fall all over the place.
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Post by Laurance on Mar 30, 2013 16:08:06 GMT 1
Also if petitions/public pressure means nothing, how do you explain the release of file pertaining to UFOs already? You do know that was because of public pressure and interest at the time. In the last two years interest from the public has dwindled. It happens every so often, the public get an interest in something, the government release things to keep them quiet, then the public move on to the next thing. Well I just got back from the American trip and after I get over this Jet Lag issue, I will show you if you know who to talk too in Government you get things done. It is very true, in this day and age, it is who you know, not what you know.
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Post by Laurance on Mar 28, 2013 17:49:48 GMT 1
A few industrious Londoners say they don’t want to have to travel thousands of miles to visit a UFO museum, so they are going to build one in their hometown, and they are hoping crowd funding will help pay for it.
The group says they are people of “sound mind,” which is great because they are taking on quite a task. They claim they have already found potential places to rent, have acquired materials from a former UFO museum, and are ready to open up as soon as they are able to require more materials. The group definitely has some impressive graphic and audio/visual ability. They have created some neat UFO goodies, such as T-shirts, postcards, and tote bags, all with some nifty UFO graphics. If you participate in sponsoring the project, depending on the level you choose, you can get some of these UFO goodies sent to you. There is also a well produced video with some interviews of Londoners discussing UFOs and their thoughts on the potential UFO museum.
www.openminds.tv/crowd-funding-a-ufo-museum-in-london-947/
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Post by Laurance on Mar 25, 2013 17:52:09 GMT 1
Also if petitions/public pressure means nothing, how do you explain the release of file pertaining to UFOs already? You do know that was because of public pressure and interest at the time. In the last two years interest from the public has dwindled. It happens every so often, the public get an interest in something, the government release things to keep them quiet, then the public move on to the next thing.
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Post by Laurance on Mar 25, 2013 17:39:56 GMT 1
Trust? LOL, you gain trust? This is all about trust? A.D. After Disclosure: The People's Guide to Life After Contact – Richard M Dolan, Bryce Zebel What if UFO secrecy ended tomorrow? This work of speculative non-fiction confronts all the disturbing challenges facing government, science, religion, media, culture, law, education, and politics once the denials end. How do we cope with the reality that we are not alone?
maybe these guys can talk some common sense into you. Ah I see, the typical, let's attack approach. See these people think that UFO secrecy ending would mean automatic proof of little green men and FTL travel. Doesn't mean that at all. For all we know the Government know a little bit more than we do.
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Post by Laurance on Mar 25, 2013 16:42:36 GMT 1
I will ask you again, what benefit or motivation is there for governments to release what they know and why? How does admitting what governments know make the world safer? “Mr. President! Mr. President! Do we know why they are here and are we able to stop them?” Till the answer to both questions is yes. Your petition and signature are just waste of time. So, if you are just wasting your time, is that not the same as sitting around and doing nothing? Motivation and Benefit is more trust in the government by the general populace. Did I state it makes the world safer? Also how do we know someone out there spots something in said released reports that might make the world safer? Also it isn't a waste of time, the information gleamed from reports already released show their is a wealth of information out there, from government projects to interactions with 'intelligent beings'. Seems you have no trust whatsoever. So how do you research UFOlogy? Do you believe there is nothing to be collected from Government sources?
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Post by Laurance on Mar 25, 2013 9:10:20 GMT 1
Sitting around and doing nothing is bad.
There was a phrase we learnt in Northern Ireland, Better to die on your feet than live on your knees in surrender.
Also being ex-military I understand the classification system better than most people. Almost everything recorded in the military is classified and kept from public eye for a number of years, why? It is because things need to be checked, time needs to pass on some things etc.
If China or Russia had alien tech and was successfully reverse engineering it, then the question is how do we know about it, yet are unable to acquire the tech? Also does it matter if they had this tech? Look through the history of military technology, it never stays in one country for long.
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Post by Laurance on Mar 23, 2013 18:42:07 GMT 1
More cases with the same descriptions of the beings actually make the original case increasingly valid. Or could be copycats or the sub-conscious linking onto previously seen information. There are always cases where only one instance or sighting has occurred of an animal and it takes years before another is even seen. So we cannot rule out something based on how many or little other cases there has been.
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Post by Laurance on Mar 23, 2013 10:19:05 GMT 1
Alright, that being said. Perhaps this case does have a few solid evidences that make it believable. My question is this, has there been any other cases with the beings that they described? Dyfed, West Wales, United Kingdom in 1977. The Witnesses (15 children and 3 school staff) observed small 'silvery men with spiked ears' and helmets working around a UFO(which by no means fit the common impressions of extraterrestrials). Their descriptions drew strong comparisons with the "Hopkinsville Goblins" of Kentucky two decades earlier.
Also I have read about similar looking 'Goblins' being seen in Latin America. However you should know that an isolated case does not mean it is fake. There have been many cases like the Livingstone Case in Scotland where the ET's have only ever been seen once. There is not a pattern for ETs unfortunately, even Greys change.
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Post by Laurance on Mar 16, 2013 8:48:26 GMT 1
I have 3 grown children and 3 grandchildren and if I encountered these strange creatures at night with my Blood family there I would not even ask an investigative question. My Family comes first and shooting them would be first. Exactly, this is the most natural reaction for humans and indeed animals in general. Think about when a human starts invading on the territory of an animal, most of the time the animal will not attack unless provoked but if that animal has children it will almost certainly attack whether provoked or not.
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Post by Laurance on Mar 16, 2013 8:45:47 GMT 1
Well, it's rather hard to discern what I would do in 1955 as I don't know what my intelligence level would be. Probably extremely less. I would most likely, given the area and how they lived, would have tried to kill it and then ask questions later. In 1955 you had American Propaganda going on about the 'Red Threat' or more popularly known as the 'Red Scare' from the Soviet Union. Later this period (1947-1957) became known as McCathyism. So you are a simple farming family who has heard about the alleged evils of Communism and how they are planning to take over 'The Land of the Free'. You also have seen the rise in the media over 'Flying Saucers' and seen the release of several films about aliens coming and invading Earth (it is thought that the popularity of these alien invasions films was actually a metaphor for the Soviet invasion). Then one day a friend comes over, who then goes to get water from the pump only to see some 'strange lights', you all don't believe him because you are typical conservative farmers. Your dog then starts barking before retreating under the house, where it stays until it can be finally coaxed out the next day. You then see a strange creature appear, you have seen nothing like it before. At this point your natural human instincts come into play, 'fight or flight', this thing is on your property, where your family is, so you attack it. A Highway Trooper reports strange lights over the area and artillery like noises. The family make a dash for it and make it to the police station. The Chief of the station sees them in a panicked state and even a police with medical training says pulse rates are elevated. Nearby farms also report strange lights and heard the gun battle but did nothing about it through fear. There was a sample of a luminous substance catalogued, however it disappeared and was never seen again. The Sutton never exploited the event for money and were annoyed by the 'tourist' attraction their farm became. The story has never changed and the family members today very rarely talk about the event.
I believe they saw something, what it was I have no idea. But these seem like simple, sincere 1955 American Farmers. I think many of us would do the same or at least similar given the same set of circumstances.
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Post by Laurance on Mar 13, 2013 20:33:11 GMT 1
Also why religionist belief? I know many people who have a faith and yet believe in ET. I think those who have no faith can be just as dangerous to ETs as someone with a faith.
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Post by Laurance on Mar 13, 2013 20:30:38 GMT 1
I believe that 'first contact' has happened to a select few (I had first contact in 1959 as part of my abduction experiences). First contact for the masses is a few years away I think. War, we are at war already around most of the globe. The only reason we have to wait for 'first contact' is religionist belief, they will be the warmongers. Can that be certain? If they have such advanced tech to cross light years without a scratch, surely a few bombs and bullets wouldn't worry them. Also why the select few? Why people who are either not trusty worthy or don't have any position to effect change? I mean if you wanted to bring peace and love to the world, wouldn't it make more sense to contact government officials and work through them? Also we are at War around the globe but why couldn't an alien race bring war?
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Post by Laurance on Mar 13, 2013 11:35:24 GMT 1
Psychic Stephany Fay Cohen claims she is visited by spirits for sexual encounters which can lead her to orgasm. Stephany, 46, is a psychic, medium and healer who claims to be in contact with spirits she calls Grays - an alien race of beings who exist on a different plain to us. The spirits guide her, advising and counselling her through her life, providing a support network like a family. However, Stephany also says she enjoys a more physical relationship with the Grays. She's often visited by them for sexual encounters and is able to orgasm through this contact. She claims this experience is better than any physical lover she's ever had, and she has no need for a real boyfriend. Professor Chris French joins us alongside Stephany to give his take on her alien encounters. www.itv.com/thismorning/life/supernatural-week-sex-with-alien-spirit-guides/
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Post by Laurance on Mar 13, 2013 6:48:06 GMT 1
I'll upload some more of the MOD files today
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Post by Laurance on Mar 12, 2013 18:23:05 GMT 1
The Uk Govt has released their UFO files Not all and only became free for a month. Cameron promised a complete access to all files pertaining to UFOs. Also all the ones currently in circulation at MOD. So far there are no individual reports from other agencies, like the Army, RAF and RN.
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Post by Laurance on Mar 11, 2013 22:29:17 GMT 1
When up for election, Mr Cameron promised to release files on UFOs held by the MOD and other government authorities.
He has not carried out his promise. Maybe we could petition him, with a reminder of his promise.
We could post this online to various other groups, once the petition is online, promote this group and get enough signatures.
What'da ya say?
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Post by Laurance on Mar 9, 2013 8:47:08 GMT 1
Hmm... With the government stockpiling ammo as they have been doing these last few months, guess all we are waiting for is the icebreaker to start WWIII. I'm sure China will back up North Korea. China backed up NK last time and lost an awful lot of men for no real gain. China I don't think will back up NK this time down to the fact NK is a loose cannon and cannot be controlled. Think about it, if you release a nuke, you give permission for a nuke to be used on yourself. If you back up someone who uses a nuke, you welcome nukes on you. Nukes destroy vast amounts of land and infrastructure. NK will only use nukes if it feels that it is loosing, sort of like a suicide that will cause damage to others as well.
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Post by Laurance on Mar 7, 2013 19:19:43 GMT 1
I don't think NK will attack the US, not yet and not without support. The Korean War is techically over, it is only in ceasefire. I do see SK and NK coming to blows at some point in the near future though. NK has one of the world's largest armies and contary to popular belief it is highly trained and well equipped.
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Post by Laurance on Mar 3, 2013 9:15:15 GMT 1
Then we agree that it's a buoy, nonetheless? I'd say I am about 95%-99% certain it is a mooring buoy. The pictures of mooring buoys seems to back it up. I am certain we can find stories of subs getting caught in things like this.
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Post by Laurance on Mar 2, 2013 20:32:57 GMT 1
My first thought. Buoy being dragged by a large fish or manmade object. (like a submarine) The Swedish navy has 5 subs. The Norwegian navy has 6 subs. (The Ula class has retractable bow planes) The Finnish navy has no subs in current use. The Russian Baltic Fleet has 3 subs in use (This would be the fleet that would most likely operate in the waters around Sweden). The Northern Fleet which operates in the Barents, Norwegian and Atlantic oceans has 23 to 28 subs according to official reports. I think when we look at it logically it is most likely a submarine, the buoy line being caught on the control plane.
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Post by Laurance on Mar 2, 2013 20:11:15 GMT 1
I didn't include 1955 to be a factor in my answer. Ok. Let's factor it in? Does it change your answer? (Not being snotty, just lets run with it)
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Post by Laurance on Mar 2, 2013 8:50:58 GMT 1
Well, I don't have many fears and yes, I would be fearful at first. However, I will notice their inquisitive nature and attempt to communicate with them. If I had a camera on me, you betcha I would snap as many photos as I could. Probably would do video with audio since most cameras can do that these days. I would totally try to let the world know they exist... UNLESS they don't want me to let the world know. But this in 1955, fear of Soviet Invasion, loads of movies about ETs invading Earth etc. They are simple farmer folk too. Also I am sure you know they didn't have the same equipment as we do today. Camera's in 1955 cost as cheap as $30 dollars, which in today's money is $257, it was the same price as a Disneyland ticket. I think I would be pretty well terrified, even though I would love to interact with an ET. It is easier to say things in hindsight but in the heat of the moment things don't always go the way we want.
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