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Post by simplyerik on Apr 28, 2011 17:08:47 GMT 1
Oh, lol, ok, sorry about that. I misinterpreted some of the words chosen as being said out of anger. I agree with the rest of the people on this forum about this guy being utterly crazy to come into a UFO forum, having done no real research, saying that they don't believe in aliens, and then ask that everyone try asking aliens to come as a huge group effort at the exact same time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2011 0:46:26 GMT 1
Hello All,
the first thing necessary is that I also am not the least bit angry. Have any of you played the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit? Just curious. So....why am I here? Well basically to clarify a misunderstanding which is this: it's only a small point really and probably not worth mentioning. It was said that I "stated that Aliens don't exist" which is not true. Simplyerik posted more accurately when he said that I didn't BELIEVE in aliens. Which is true. Not believing in aliens and saying they don't exist are not the same thing.
So what do I know about UFOs other than the tin hats? That there is research involving magnetohydrodynamics by a private group of scientists in France to prove that UFOs are utilizing that technology for flight and already used in Japan to power boats. That it has been proposed that the strange footprints found in the English countryside that went up and over everything were an alien marking device used for mapping the Earth. That it is believed that there are over 70 species of alien. That nuclear facilities were supposedly interfered with and electronics fouled. That the phoenix lights are still unexplained. That there is a new secret test facility like roswell in Australia's outback.
That one can make an ion current device from some tin foil, copper wire, wood frame, and a cathode ray tube that will levitate. That Einstein believed tht space was an extention of consolidated matter. That Galaxy clusters like the Abell group will reveal galaxies that are behind the group by bending the light around the group and creating mirror images via the process of lensing.
That the Earth is about half way along in the process of once again becoming Pangea in about 250,000,000 years. That Yellow stone is the site of a supermassive volcano that nearly destroyed everything in the past. That scientists are monitoring for the danger of a gaint landslide in the Azores that could create a 600 foot wave. That meteorology does not incorporate the Moon in its weather models.
That the iridium layer in sediment and ice cores indicate a major impact by a ET object (Yucatan). That Tunguska was an air blast. That beryllium 10 in sediment is a byproduct of cosmic rays striking molecules in the atmosphere and that Dr. Paul Violette believes this is proof of a cosmic superwave 40,000 years ago that nearly wiped out all life on the planet.
Let's see what else.....oh yes, That Bigelow Industries is owned by the same guy that was involved in the now-defunct NIDS which the FAA refered all Black Triangle reports and to whom the FAA STILL refers UFO reports. He also has his fingers deep into MUFON so it appears he gets all UFO knowledge firsthand and I imagine there is a real reason for this. If this Forum can raise such a fuss over me- a nobody, Imagine what this Forum could do to a subject like Mr. Bigelow.
I don't believe in Aliens. Does that mean I think their existence is impossible? Of course not. Not probable? Yes, at least here.
WHEW! By the way this is not a rant, just statements, that's all. I hope for no hard feelings for I have none and a good banter is always acceptable. I'll bet none of you knew I was bantering as well. Sometimes it is not that easy to distinguish is it? Peace, hiflier.
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Post by uforn on Apr 29, 2011 1:30:24 GMT 1
Hello All, the first thing necessary is that I also am not the least bit angry. Have any of you played the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit? Just curious. So....why am I here? Well basically to clarify a misunderstanding which is this: it's only a small point really and probably not worth mentioning. It was said that I "stated that Aliens don't exist" which is not true. Simplyerik posted more accurately when he said that I didn't BELIEVE in aliens. Which is true. Not believing in aliens and saying they don't exist are not the same thing. No probs Most of us researchers no all this, ever heard the term nazi ufo's ? Im doing some behind the scenes research on this now ill be bringing it to the forum in a few weeks some excellent information. But that doesnt show us what you know about UFO's does it ? Yes ive seen that expiriment with the tin foil very good. Again this doesnt show us what you know about UFO's Yes i watch all the documentarys on this kind of thing if yellow stone blows it could put the world into darkness for years, not UFO related tho Tunguska has been linked as a theory of a UFO whether it was or not is another matter. If im not mistaken im sure Bigalow bought Mufon out Still youve not shown us by what youve said that you know anything about UFO's correct me if im wrong. It sounds to me like youve read a few things etc and come to a decision, based on very little research.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2011 2:46:54 GMT 1
Hello uforn,
Hey, thanks for posting. IMHO there is very little evidence available to research. Certainly not enough for forming much more than an idea. I am certainly not privy to doing the kind of research that others have done. But I'm savvy enough to determine someone's opinion that is based on hearsay. Informational sources are important and should be vetted for reliability. Do I believe that unimpeachable military personel have seen UFOs? Yes I do. Do I believe that there are UFOs? Of course. Because some flying objects are unidentified. I'm fairly sure I have not denied that aspect. Are they piloted by ETs. Doubtful.
When Project Blue Book ended, several conclusions were arrived at. I will mention two that stand out: 1) that UFOs were not extraterrestrial, and 2) that they were not a threat to national security. Now the general population of course didn't believe those conclusions and figured that the U.S. Government must be hiding the truth. Well, in a way that was true and, IN MY HUMBLE OPINION ONLY, is still true today. I have reasoned that things are not as they seem which is how TPTB like to operate. It makes more scientific and logical sense to say that those two conclusions do in fact state the truth. The issue really is the lack of offering anything further which I understand now that at the time it was not required and, in a way still isn't. Everyone was so focused on UFOs being piloted by ET that most overlooked the obvious truth in the Project Blue Book summary. The conclusions are truthful, UFOs are not extraterrestrial and not a danger to national security because they were (and are now) OURS.
No other conclusions fit so well but the ever suspicious public missed it altogether. The government gambled that WRT to human nature this would be the result and they won. The Roswell crash was one of ours too. The witnesses with TS clearance really didn't have the clearance that allowed them in on the secret. They got to see the crash of a strange object but were never told the real source of that object. A perfectly executed Black Op I f there ever was one and the secret military experiments could continue but now hidden as UFOs. The public would of course suspect but the die was cast and the mindset had been achieved. And the whole Bigelow NIDS thing of searching for the Big Black Deltas, while real at the time, became part of the disinformation with a healthy dose of MJ-12 that had succeeded in bringing flying-saucer witness credibility to the level of wacko. The reports of ET type maneuvers of the Black Triangles was sprinkled in as a diversionary tactic to keep the public focused on BTs as ET driven and not as man made. I could continue this hypothesis into the NWO realm but, while fun to do it would be virtually unsupportable.
The concept to that point though makes good logical cloak and dagger sense and a way to keep adversaries on their toes thinking we had something special in the pipe "not of this world". Subtrefuge. In the meantime though, uforn, the short answer is yes, I have looked into the nazi UFO history and have seen some great photos. And UFOs are to me not out of the question at all. I,ve only been at this since lastOctober so feel free to jump in and help out. You too meldrew (didn't mind the "notright") and all.
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Post by prettyboyfloyd on Apr 29, 2011 9:13:12 GMT 1
Gday hiflier: I thought you had a chess tournament to study for lol.Please keep your sceptic opinions to yourself.Because thats all they are. You cannot prove your beliefs & theories.So why go there?.You are like a sheep following the herd.A brilliant mind is an open mind.Do hard research into all not shortcuts.And you might be amazed of actually what you might learn & your brain actually takes in lol.To me it sounds like you aint a very good chess player either. Because it starts at a young age with heaps of arse whippings.A good player learns from hes mistakes.It makes him more smarter & wiser before he thinks hes a pro. I have put a short summary below hiflier on Alien abductions & Ufo & Alien encounters.Please do research on the events that took place.They were witnessed by many.To me these are some of the best of alltime.A child is like an angel they might exaggerate but they deffinately dont lie. Ufo & Alien encounters: 1994 Zimbabwe School kids in africa witness ufo & have extraterrestrial contact: 1989 Veronezh Russia School kids witness ufo & aliens: 1966 Westall Australia School kids & teachers witness ufo: Alien Abductions: Travis Walton incident: 1978 Disapperance of Frederick Valentich: 1993 Kelly Cahill encounter: Animal and Human Mutilations: Whats your opinion on this mr hiflier: I would sincerely like to here your opinions on all events hiflier.Prove me wrong if you can lol. Cheers:Prettyboyfloyd
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Post by meldrew on Apr 29, 2011 10:11:56 GMT 1
good reply by all, about time we had some good debate and hiflier you make a good point in stating why are we more interested in you than Bob Biggy Biglowe ? this forum was on Biggy Biglowe's case a while back and I personally researched all his deeds and have posted them on here, my advice to you is start with ancient aliens and then read Charles Darwin, and then tell me we walked out the african jungle, and if you can break it to the world how the pyramids were built then you win. P.S I apprenticed as a stonemason, lol regards, meldrew the mason.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2011 11:30:36 GMT 1
Hello prettyboyfloyd,
Prove me wrong first. And all I asked was if anyone has played the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit. Not what it is. AND , like I said I don't have an issue with UFOs.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2011 11:37:37 GMT 1
Hello meldrew,
OK, we walked out of the Arican jungle. LOL. In all seriousnes though, none of what you ask, which is mountainous to say the least, has been definitive to anyone else why should I be different. If I said that the ancient ancestors of bigfoot did all that stuff before the cosmic superwave affeted their synapses and made them all of a sudden stupid creatures no one could refute it. I'm definitely not here to disprove anyone's ideas. I just posted a notice. That's all. In fact, on that note, all of this thread except fot the notice itself is 83 days premature. These discussions will all bear more weight after 7/20. Again, one cannot prove me wrong.
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Post by meldrew on Apr 29, 2011 12:49:45 GMT 1
helllo hiflier the answer to my question is quite simple, its one word, enigma, an unsolvable puzzle, one that anyone with any sense will not attempt to answer, and was a bit below the belt, just blew you out of the water though ;D regards, laughing meldrew.
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Post by uforn on Apr 29, 2011 14:04:53 GMT 1
Hello uforn, Hey, thanks for posting. IMHO there is very little evidence available to research. Certainly not enough for forming much more than an idea. I am certainly not privy to doing the kind of research that others have done. But I'm savvy enough to determine someone's opinion that is based on hearsay. Informational sources are important and should be vetted for reliability. Do I believe that unimpeachable military personel have seen UFOs? Yes I do. Do I believe that there are UFOs? Of course. Because some flying objects are unidentified. I'm fairly sure I have not denied that aspect. Are they piloted by ETs. Doubtful. When Project Blue Book ended, several conclusions were arrived at. I will mention two that stand out: 1) that UFOs were not extraterrestrial, and 2) that they were not a threat to national security. Now the general population of course didn't believe those conclusions and figured that the U.S. Government must be hiding the truth. Well, in a way that was true and, IN MY HUMBLE OPINION ONLY, is still true today. I have reasoned that things are not as they seem which is how TPTB like to operate. It makes more scientific and logical sense to say that those two conclusions do in fact state the truth. The issue really is the lack of offering anything further which I understand now that at the time it was not required and, in a way still isn't. Everyone was so focused on UFOs being piloted by ET that most overlooked the obvious truth in the Project Blue Book summary. The conclusions are truthful, UFOs are not extraterrestrial and not a danger to national security because they were (and are now) OURS. No other conclusions fit so well but the ever suspicious public missed it altogether. The government gambled that WRT to human nature this would be the result and they won. The Roswell crash was one of ours too. The witnesses with TS clearance really didn't have the clearance that allowed them in on the secret. They got to see the crash of a strange object but were never told the real source of that object. A perfectly executed Black Op I f there ever was one and the secret military experiments could continue but now hidden as UFOs. The public would of course suspect but the die was cast and the mindset had been achieved. And the whole Bigelow NIDS thing of searching for the Big Black Deltas, while real at the time, became part of the disinformation with a healthy dose of MJ-12 that had succeeded in bringing flying-saucer witness credibility to the level of wacko. The reports of ET type maneuvers of the Black Triangles was sprinkled in as a diversionary tactic to keep the public focused on BTs as ET driven and not as man made. I could continue this hypothesis into the NWO realm but, while fun to do it would be virtually unsupportable. The concept to that point though makes good logical cloak and dagger sense and a way to keep adversaries on their toes thinking we had something special in the pipe "not of this world". Subtrefuge. In the meantime though, uforn, the short answer is yes, I have looked into the nazi UFO history and have seen some great photos. And UFOs are to me not out of the question at all. I,ve only been at this since lastOctober so feel free to jump in and help out. You too meldrew (didn't mind the "notright") and all. You havnt been looking in the right places if you think there's very little evidence, there's loads. I noticed you mentioned project bluebook, you might want to look into Dr. J Allen Hynek's work. You also mentioned Roswell and said it was our's where is your evidence to prove this? You should also take a look at some of the very credible testimonys from respected proffesionals from astronauts to police and presidents. And if you really want to delve into the subject look at USO's, this is a very compelling area of study. Take a look at one of the most famous case,s the shag harbour incident which involved the navy. Spend a year looking at all the topics documentarys and info on here then come back and tell me weve not been visited by aliens You also said that you thought all UFO sightings were ours, well take a look at ancient aliens, there's tonnes of sighting reports from hundreds of years ago way before we became technologicaly advanced, even Christopher Columbus recorded in his logs UFO sightings If you want links or anything let me know and ill compile some for you.
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Post by meldrew on Apr 29, 2011 15:06:08 GMT 1
and then hiflier after you've done as much research as you can (which will take a lot more than a year judge) you tell us who have witnessed these things, that we are told don't exist, that they don't exist, because I've seen them with my own eyes. regards, meldrew the righteous.
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Post by uforn on Apr 29, 2011 19:37:09 GMT 1
and then hiflier after you've done as much research as you can (which will take a lot more than a year judge) you tell us who have witnessed these things, that we are told don't exist, that they don't exist, because I've seen them with my own eyes. regards, meldrew the righteous. Yes m8 it would take a hell of alot longer than a year BTW hiflier im probably the biggest sceptic on this forum, ask any of the regular posters
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2011 22:07:42 GMT 1
Hello uforn and meldrew,
One may (or not) wonder why I always start my posts with a salutation. It's because my first duty as a human is to respect another human simply because they ARE human. After that the dialogue, debate, discussion, or argument may begin anew but not IMHO until then. Greet another human being first then speak. I do this on every post and on every Forum no matter how heated the encounter may become. I've always felt the need to greet someone as a courtesy before I launch any communication. That is just me as I've felt a greater sense of connection when some one addressed me. So I try to make it a practice when I address others. Thank you meldrew for your own considerations.
And by the way you did blow me out of the water. I tried to answer you but you had the mor expedient reply. it is indeed an enigma in the fullest sense of the word. Now, when you say you have seen them with your own eyes are you speaking of UFOs or Aliens. For to me UFOs are not the question and never was. AND I have not and never will say that alien existence is impossible. Just improbable. I guess that doesn't even get me up to the level of skeptic. But I do ask this of you: would you take 2 minutes and consider one thing WRT to the announcement, please? In all fairness and in truth, what would your reaction be if it was posted by a believer? Would it change your thoughts on the matter? Would you trust it's message more? or less?
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Post by uforn on Apr 29, 2011 22:30:21 GMT 1
Hello uforn and meldrew, One may (or not) wonder why I always start my posts with a salutation. It's because my first duty as a human is to respect another human simply because they ARE human. After that the dialogue, debate, discussion, or argument may begin anew but not IMHO until then. Greet another human being first then speak. I do this on every post and on every Forum no matter how heated the encounter may become. I've always felt the need to greet someone as a courtesy before I launch any communication. That is just me as I've felt a greater sense of connection when some one addressed me. So I try to make it a practice when I address others. Thank you meldrew for your own considerations. And by the way you did blow me out of the water. I tried to answer you but you had the mor expedient reply. it is indeed an enigma in the fullest sense of the word. Now, when you say you have seen them with your own eyes are you speaking of UFOs or Aliens. For to me UFOs are not the question and never was. AND I have not and never will say that alien existence is impossible. Just improbable. I guess that doesn't even get me up to the level of skeptic. But I do ask this of you: would you take 2 minutes and consider one thing WRT to the announcement, please? In all fairness and in truth, what would your reaction be if it was posted by a believer? Would it change your thoughts on the matter? Would you trust it's message more? or less? No it wouldnt make no difference to me if a believer posted this hiflier, I'd still have the same reaction, Im not gullible to rubbish on this subject which i still think this is
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2011 5:18:36 GMT 1
Hello uforn,
Rubbish? Well, perhaps, and perhaps not. From an objective view I think it's too soon to tell whether it's rubbish or not. At least from the author's perspective it is not but even the author said it may not result in a showing. That's why it's billed as an "attempt" to invite ET to show. The ones who called it just another"prediction" have obviously been burned before, however calling it a prediction means they did not read the notice carefully and, as a result somehow really missed the boat on what the nature of this event is. Labeling it a prediction is a mistake and only serves to lead people astray. This is only one example of jumping to a conclusion which as a statement has nothing to back it up. It simply is not true,
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Post by meldrew on Apr 30, 2011 11:30:09 GMT 1
hello hiflier no I haven't seen an alien, not that I'm aware of anyway, but I have witnessed whats known as dancing light ufos, the speed and change of direction is an amazing spectacle, the only thing I know of that can perform like that is a stunt kite, and these were not stunt kites, and as for the second question, I would give you even more stick if you was a believer, because you would then know what a preposterous plan it is. regards, doubting meldrew.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2011 20:16:50 GMT 1
Hello meldrew,
As I have never seen an UFO your story is an enviable one. In fact other than on the Forums, I know of no one personally who has seen anything. I have of course have seen some compelling images and some short videos but for some reason I only trust the older film-based photos and such. The demonstrations I've seen of Photoshop's "aftereffects" software's shows me that it's just too much of a temptation for folks not to play tricks. Even film had it's jokesters but cgi is over the top. It's why I mention to people that are thinking of doing this to dust off the film equipment, maybe borrow grandad's stuff or something. Companies of course still make film. Grainy as it can be a high speed such ASA3200 can be pulled by a camera that has been set to 800. I wouldn't chance lower that 400 even though it still allows the camera to operate fairly fast. Expect the usual blurring especially for night stuff though, Infra-red film would be cool.
Oh, and AAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHH! No more stick unless I deserve it. I don't know but that balderdash wouldn't be an apt description of 7/20 although most folks easily understand preposterous so it would be my word choice IF I was you. I would like to send your way an exchange that I recently had with a member of another Forum. Of course I will maintain protocol by not naming the Forum but, like here, I use "hiflier" for a moniker. Rather than try to reproduce the dialogue I can copy/paste to here if it's would be agreeable to you.
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Post by meldrew on Apr 30, 2011 22:39:04 GMT 1
Hello meldrew, As I have never seen an UFO your story is an enviable one. In fact other than on the Forums, I know of no one personally who has seen anything. I have of course have seen some compelling images and some short videos but for some reason I only trust the older film-based photos and such. The demonstrations I've seen of Photoshop's "aftereffects" software's shows me that it's just too much of a temptation for folks not to play tricks. Even film had it's jokesters but cgi is over the top. It's why I mention to people that are thinking of doing this to dust off the film equipment, maybe borrow grandad's stuff or something. Companies of course still make film. Grainy as it can be a high speed such ASA3200 can be pulled by a camera that has been set to 800. I wouldn't chance lower that 400 even though it still allows the camera to operate fairly fast. Expect the usual blurring especially for night stuff though, Infra-red film would be cool. Oh, and AAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHH! No more stick unless I deserve it. I don't know but that balderdash wouldn't be an apt description of 7/20 although most folks easily understand preposterous so it would be my word choice IF I was you. I would like to send your way an exchange that I recently had with a member of another Forum. Of course I will maintain protocol by not naming the Forum but, like here, I use "hiflier" for a moniker. Rather than try to reproduce the dialogue I can copy/paste to here if it's would be agreeable to you. hello hiflier I must mention one thing that I keep forgetting, etiquette, its not inorder to edit your post tosuit the reply, bad form, and for that you deserve a yellow card, you are welcome to post all the links of your site spamming, but include the ones that banned you and the ones that slagged you off. regards meldew.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2011 23:51:52 GMT 1
Hello mildrew, www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread692048/pg5WRT edits, I try to perform edits before replies and I don't change content or context. Only spelling, grammar, spacing, punctuation and capitalization. Thank you though, the caution is noted.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2011 2:20:45 GMT 1
Hello uforn,
I respectfully request that you delete all of my posts and then cancel my account please. Thank you for your time and this opportunity.
Regards, hiflier.
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Post by meldrew on May 2, 2011 8:56:15 GMT 1
Hello uforn, I respectfully request that you delete all of my posts and then cancel my account please. Thank you for your time and this opportunity. Regards, hiflier. oh dear, hiflier, please don't go.
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Post by onlychild on May 2, 2011 15:21:38 GMT 1
This is the kind of bickering we need to eliminate, which is why I wanted to try this exercise. BTW, with regard to any version of mental contact / channeling, whatever you would like to call it, it is NOT a required part of this attempt. People get confused regarding the idea of "how" ET would know about what we are asking to happen, and default to some kind of mental thought projection. It isn't necessary, but, if you feel you should do it - have at it. As far as I am concerned, "they" know ... whether it happens or not, we shall see.
As far as Hiflier goes, he has been a tremendous help regarding get the idea out to people - but I am starting to trace the rhetoric he is being hit with, and figured I would stop in. If you have questions, aim them at me.
All I want to do is to TRY and begin to end the typical multifaceted approaches to this subject. Borrowing a line from the old Highlander flicks, and adding one word ... "There can be only one - truth" ... Do we know what that is? NO! Like religious bickering, everyone thinks they are right, and that is impossible.
I want to keep "beliefs" out of this for now, and just focus on one idea: seeing if "they" will help clear up the age old question "are they here?" Once we can get that much out of the way, the next step will be putting together WHY they are here.
Unless we can all just shut the **** up long enough to create a logical approach to this subject, and piece together everything, step at a time, the chaos will continue, and like religion, it will never be a resolved topic.
It's up to you - I have my answers already.
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Post by uforn on May 2, 2011 23:36:59 GMT 1
OC tell me who is behind all this ? you can tell me in a pm if you would prefer too
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Post by meldrew on May 3, 2011 7:32:54 GMT 1
This is the kind of bickering we need to eliminate, which is why I wanted to try this exercise. BTW, with regard to any version of mental contact / channeling, whatever you would like to call it, it is NOT a required part of this attempt. People get confused regarding the idea of "how" ET would know about what we are asking to happen, and default to some kind of mental thought projection. It isn't necessary, but, if you feel you should do it - have at it. As far as I am concerned, "they" know ... whether it happens or not, we shall see. As far as Hiflier goes, he has been a tremendous help regarding get the idea out to people - but I am starting to trace the rhetoric he is being hit with, and figured I would stop in. If you have questions, aim them at me. All I want to do is to TRY and begin to end the typical multifaceted approaches to this subject. Borrowing a line from the old Highlander flicks, and adding one word ... "There can be only one - truth" ... Do we know what that is? NO! Like religious bickering, everyone thinks they are right, and that is impossible. I want to keep "beliefs" out of this for now, and just focus on one idea: seeing if "they" will help clear up the age old question "are they here?" Once we can get that much out of the way, the next step will be putting together WHY they are here. Unless we can all just shut the **** up long enough to create a logical approach to this subject, and piece together everything, step at a time, the chaos will continue, and like religion, it will never be a resolved topic. It's up to you - I have my answers already. these are the kind of answers you get when a fantasist enters in to debate with a realist, so oc you have your answers already planned ah, whats your answer going to be when this turns out to be a crock of s****.
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Post by onlychild on May 5, 2011 20:05:02 GMT 1
OC tell me who is behind all this ? you can tell me in a pm if you would prefer too We can do it here ... I have been involved in this subject since 1955, but never knew it until the beginning of the '90s. My experiences are different, and revolve around a study I was supposed to do that finally began in 1973. The short story here is that after completing this, I came to the realization that there were SO many approaches to this subject that something neutral had to be tried, where everyone left their beliefs at the door (including me) and we just focused on putting this together piece by piece. All I want to try is an asking that they will show up on a global level (however they see fit) and we can put that much of the picture to rest. No more youtube doctored videos, no more "blurry proof" photos ... that much would be over. From there (if we can get passed that much) we can focus on the doctrinal problems ... but let's see if this works first.
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Post by uforn on May 6, 2011 14:16:39 GMT 1
Ive removed several posts that have been insulting and ridiculing to other's.I will close this thread and remove it if this continues, please be civil
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Post by onlychild on May 6, 2011 14:55:01 GMT 1
Ummm - thanks, but no thanks ... LOL ... I don't know how shrinks do it ... if I had to do that sort of thing on a daily basis ... they'd be cartin' me away LOL ...
On the serious side, I just have an interest in the brain and how it works that developed from the UFO subject and the tons of conflicting ideas in circulation. If we add to this problem the idea that people in control are deliberately keeping information from us, it makes the picture even worse. The base idea in this picture, the one thing that that keeps us out of the loop, is the fact that we don't realize our thinking can actually be hijacked by the lower parts in this 3-brain mix. Instead of saying 1+1=2. we let fear enter into this, or our feelings, and it skews the results.
There is a certain person who I have spent the last year-plus watching and taking apart, piece by piece. He is the victim of 3 frontal lobe impacts (seat of executive function) from when he was younger (typical kid crashes and head bangs), and let's just say he is a processing mess and pseudo-sociopathic on top of it all. He literally is processing impaired, and he can't do a thing about it. He thinks he has adult ADHD, and when I tell him that frontal lobe brain injury can mimic those symptoms, as well as others he has, he won't accept it because he can't deal with a brain damage picture as his problem. He needs to see a professional, and he won't do it.
This is why "operation asking" is devoid of beliefs (what people "think" ET is all about) ... why I want everyone to just put aside their beliefs and just focus on a base picture, and if it happens we can begin to rebuild our picture of why they are here, piece at a time. I have no idea if this will work, but we have to at least - try.
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Post by uforn on May 6, 2011 15:08:32 GMT 1
Ummm - thanks, but no thanks ... LOL ... I don't know how shrinks do it ... if I had to do that sort of thing on a daily basis ... they'd be cartin' me away LOL ... On the serious side, I just have an interest in the brain and how it works that developed from the UFO subject and the tons of conflicting ideas in circulation. If we add to this problem the idea that people in control are deliberately keeping information from us, it makes the picture even worse. The base idea in this picture, the one thing that that keeps us out of the loop, is the fact that we don't realize our thinking can actually be hijacked by the lower parts in this 3-brain mix. Instead of saying 1+1=2. we let fear enter into this, or our feelings, and it skews the results. There is a certain person who I have spent the last year-plus watching and taking apart, piece by piece. He is the victim of 3 frontal lobe impacts (seat of executive function) from when he was younger (typical kid crashes and head bangs), and let's just say he is a processing mess and pseudo-sociopathic on top of it all. He literally is processing impaired, and he can't do a thing about it. He thinks he has adult ADHD, and when I tell him that frontal lobe brain injury can mimic those symptoms, as well as others he has, he won't accept it because he can't deal with a brain damage picture as his problem. He needs to see a professional, and he won't do it. This is why "operation asking" is devoid of beliefs (what people "think" ET is all about) ... why I want everyone to just put aside their beliefs and just focus on a base picture, and if it happens we can begin to rebuild our picture of why they are here, piece at a time. I have no idea if this will work, but we have to at least - try. We all know the conflicts in Ufology, what you are asking for is channeling. And to be honest were sick to the teeth of this kind of rubbish. This asking as you call it is going to prove nothing whatsoever, there will be no definitive result either way this is like a religion in a way or a cult a following so to speak. You could get everyone in the world to say hello at the same time, but if there no reply it doesnt mean ET isnt out there, this expirement of yours is a HUGE Failure even before it starts. Belief or no belief doesnt matter in the least
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Post by onlychild on May 6, 2011 15:17:28 GMT 1
I wanted to add this to the above post (I don't think I posted this ) ... it is my all time favorite explanational picture. Now while there is a deeper picture here, and Joan is having a psychotic event, the base idea is a comparison between the two characters involved and how they think: One chaotic, based on fear and / or feelings, the other is rational. s154.photobucket.com/albums/s254/ghost306_photos/?action=view¤t=joan.mp4
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Post by uforn on May 6, 2011 15:21:45 GMT 1
What has someone thats got some kind of brain damage got to do with people of perfect health when it comes to ET or UFO's ?
Are you trying to say its all a mental thing ?
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