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Post by meldrew on Feb 21, 2012 16:06:06 GMT 1
Those who know me in the UFO community will be aware that I'v had a Bee in my bonnet with mufon for quite some time, I'v also stated that I'm very uneasy with abduction cases, and that the use of Hypnosis for regression is something I'v been very sceptical about, I'v also said that secret military ops could be responsible for most instances of high strangeness. Author Jack Brewer has brought all these together in one case, I'v posted this on the General Board as it crosses the boundaries of sections that would cater for one but not the others. "Leah Haley has claimed to be an alien abductee for decades. She has spoken at many conferences, written several books on the subject, and has done countless interviews. But now she has had a rethink on what may well have happened to her. ****************************************************
Who Is Leah Haley?
by Jack Brewer
The polite yet confidently direct woman who came to be embraced - for better or worse – by the UFO community said she was born in 1951 in Decatur, Alabama. According to her books, Haley earned a bachelor's degree in secondary education from the University of Alabama, a master's degree in education from the University of North Alabama and a master's degree in business administration from Mississippi State University. She told me she is a Certified Public Accountant, currently employed in the field.
I first contacted Haley via email in June of 2009 due to my interest in her reported experiences which involved apparent military personnel. Our interactions led to me interviewing her over the course of a couple days in March, 2011.
As much an artist as she is a business administrator or anything else, Haley loves to write. She enjoys many forms of art and particularly appreciates theatre. While the name Leah Ann Haley will be forever joined with the UFO phenomenon, the woman came to prioritize a healthy social life and enjoying herself, as was indicated by the presence in her den of gifts from her birthday celebration. “If I put the gifts away, I'll forget to send thank you notes,” she explained with a laugh.
During a drive through downtown Pensacola, she fondly pointed out locations where bands regularly perform. She enjoys concerts, and told me about attending a Lynyrd Skynyrd gig, remarking that she of course likes the band's music due to her roots in (Sweet Home) Alabama.
Haley developed a strong faith which she attributes in part to her traumatic experiences and the stress of going public with her story. She enjoys attending casual worship services held Sunday mornings at picnic tables on Pensacola Beach. “I think that's so cool,” she said while describing the services.
Her first marriage ended as she became increasingly committed to investigating her experiences and publicly sharing her findings. Was her involvement in ufology responsible for her failed marriage? “Oh, yeah,” she responded decisively, “absolutely.” Her status as a relatively high profile, controversial figure severely strained family relations, but Haley feels she picked up the pieces as well as could be expected.
Take her or leave her, Leah Haley is willing to be scrutinized. Other high profile members of the UFO community often hide from objective evaluation, reciting their largely unchallenged rhetoric with relentless and annoying persistence. Contrastingly, Haley at least seemingly provides us with a refreshingly transparent view of the path of an experiencer of high strangeness who embarked upon a sincere journey of investigation and self-discovery. It is only natural that such a journey included evolving perspectives, changing over time, and it appears Haley happens to be secure enough to tell us when she changes her mind.
“The most important thing about my case,” she said, “is that my memories were of alien abductions, and that after spending thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars and years and years and years of research trying to find evidence that alien abductions occurred, the only evidence I found is of human-instigated mind control.”
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Post by meldrew on Feb 21, 2012 16:21:31 GMT 1
Leah Haley on Alien Abduction: “It Doesn't Happen”
Pensacola Beach, Florida, a short distance from massive Eglin Air Force Base. Leah Haley has revised her perspectives about her experiences of high strangeness to conclude that no alien abductions ever took place in her life. She now completely attributes her remarkable perceptions to having been an involuntary research subject. Commenting on literal alien abduction from her home in Pensacola, Florida, Haley stated, “It doesn't happen.”
Haley attracted widespread attention within the UFO community in 1993 with the publication of her book, Lost Was the Key, in which she described her extraordinary experiences consisting of fragmented memories of UFOs and apparent non-human beings. She became a well known speaker and was commonly sought for interviews. Ten years later she published Unlocking Alien Closets: Abductions, Mind Control and Spirituality, further documenting her descent into an increasingly complex web of deceit, disinformation and character assassination within ufology. Sales of her books climbed well into the thousands although word of mouth was virtually the only means of marketing.
Haley initially thought aliens were responsible for her experiences but that changed following years of investigation. She long acknowledged military personnel were involved in her experiences to some extent, but she fully re-evaluated circumstances after viewing select Freedom of Information Act and U.S. Patent Office documents. Haley further based her revised conclusions on hundreds of interactions with abductees and researchers, as well as having mysterious individuals enter and later abruptly vanish from her life. She is now thoroughly convinced mind control experiments are responsible for what became known as the alien abduction phenomenon.
“I really can explain every alien abduction away using human technology,” Haley said.
Commenting on what she termed “legitimate” reports of abduction, she continued, “I don't know for sure, but every case that I know very, very well – every single one of them – if I probe deeply enough, I'm going to find that there were humans here and there too. That tells me that it was a human-instigated situation. I can't think of a single case, not a single one, that I've really delved into that didn't have humans in it too, so I just don't think alien abductions are happening. I don't know, but I just don't think they are.”
Circumstantial Evidence Haley cited circumstances such as confirmed mind control operations and Freedom of Information Act documents, substantiating details of such black budget operations, as supporting evidence for her perspectives. Suggesting the general population lacks adequate understandings of relevant issues, such as conditioned behavior and subliminal programming, Haley stated, “Doing my lectures and radio shows I met people all over the country, and most of the alien abductees just accept what's happened at face value. What they remember - to them - is what happened. Very few of us have ever questioned it to the extent that you and I obviously have.”
Haley cited U.S. Patent Office documents, demonstrating evolution of electronic technology and non-lethal weapons that correlates with the time line of reports of alien abduction. Advances in technology during the 20th century included using electromagnetic frequencies (EMFs) to remotely entrain brain waves, induce altered states of consciousness and transfer an otherwise inaudible voice directly into the brain. Overexposure to EMFs was documented to cause hallucinations, nausea, short term amnesia (missing time) and reddened skin, circumstances which became staples of abductee testimonies.( meldrew note, Rendlesham Forest incident ?)
Haley has claimed to have been interrogated and tortured by military personnel, but do not expect her to name alleged perpetrators. Though much speculation has circulated about Haley's alleged abusers, she is well aware she cannot prove accusations and therefore chooses to withhold public comment on identities.
She also claimed to have been approached repeatedly by mysterious people interested in her experiences, and on at least one occasion such a person apparently claimed to be acting on behalf of intelligence officials. Haley believed she confirmed the claim to a reasonable extent.
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Post by meldrew on Feb 21, 2012 17:05:04 GMT 1
John Carpenter % Robert Bigelow
According to LinkedIn dot com, John Carpenter, MSW, LCSW, is a self-employed therapist and lecturer educated at Washington University in St. Louis and DePauw University. The bio also states he was an "abductions research specialist at UFO research."
John Carpenter Carpenter has a long history with the UFO community and particularly what some call investigation of alien abduction. Serving as the MUFON director of abduction research from approximately 1991 to 2000, Carpenter conducted literally hundreds of regressive hypnosis sessions. He frequently published statements asserting the supposed reality of an alien presence and resulting program of military abductions through speaking engagements, the MUFON Journal and a network of platforms provided by like-minded individuals.
Early on in Leah Haley's quest to learn more about a childhood UFO sighting, Budd Hopkins recommended she contact Carpenter. Haley did so and Carpenter hypnotized her throughout 1991, giving rise to many fantastic and previously unknown alleged experiences of alien abduction and military abduction.
Robert Bigelow Somewhere along his way, John Carpenter was said to have cut a deal with Robert Bigelow involving the release of 140 case files of alleged abductees, including Leah Haley. The files were said to have been sold for $100 apiece, totaling $14,000. The public commonly perceived a single transaction took place.
Certain individuals, including Leah Haley and some of the other 139, were deeply hurt and outraged. They felt betrayed by all parties involved: Carpenter, MUFON, Bigelow and associates.
The event seemed to have taken place sometime during the mid 1990's. It became known as the Carpenter Affair when the public eventually found out around the turn of the century. The circumstances and their ramifications were of interest to some key MUFON personnel, or at least that was the case with the ensuing public relations problems. It was publicly discussed by such personnel, as well as various people of relative interest in ufology, around the Internet.
John Velez and Gary Hart exchanged emails as cited on UFO Updates List, discussing the filing of a formal complaint and reviewing the MUFON code of ethics. Robert Gates also weighed in on the List, sharing his interpretations of some relevant points and questions concerning the Carpenter Affair. Carpenter defended his actions, as did his supportive wife.
James Mosely of Saucer Smear regularly reported on the situation. The September, 2000, edition quoted the MUFON director of governmental affairs, Larry Bryant, expressing his outrage over the manner he interpreted MUFON mishandled the Carpenter Affair:
"Since a cloud of alleged impropriety now hangs over the Executive Committee (of MUFON) for its having taken so long to act upon its months-long knowledge of the 'Carpenter Affair', I hereby call upon all members of the Executive Committee to resign forthwith from their Committee positions, from their membership on the MUFON Board of Directors, and from their MUFON general membership - all in the interest of helping restore the public's confidence in the purpose, operation, management, and integrity of this organization...
"In addition, you Executive Committee members owe all of us in the entire field of UFO research not only a full, written explanation as to who on the MUFON Board originally knew of the 'Carpenter Affair' (and when they knew it) but also a published apology for their having embargoed or otherwise downplayed that knowledge at the expense of the rest of the Board. If we have a lesson to be learned from this debacle, how about this one: Enforced silence never can be the ally of truth!"
Relevant questions remain. Let's consider a few things.
Concerns have been expressed around ufology that Bigelow and his corporations may sometimes act on behalf of hidden partners and undisclosed agencies. Former MUFON international director James Carrion asserted funds donated to MUFON supposedly by Bigelow were actually provided by “sponsors,” the identities of which Bigelow revealed to MUFON board member and former international director John Schuessler, but did not disclose to the remaining MUFON board members.
In the particular circumstance of the Carpenter Affair, some feel it may be relevant that during the time in question, non-lethal weapons expert and career intelligence officer Colonel John Alexander was a staff member at the National Institute for Discovery Science, a Bigelow-founded and now dissolved nonprofit corporation. John Velez wrote via UFO Updates List that Colonel Alexander was interestingly among those who provided confirmation the Carpenter Affair took place. Of potential further interest is Christopher "Kit" Green, a long time CIA employee who also worked with NIDS, according to former NIDS personnel member Eric Davis.
John Schuessler was yet another member of NIDS personnel, a situation that further explains the perspective expressed above by Larry Bryant. In the November, 2000, edition of the 'Smear, Mosely reported:
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Post by meldrew on Feb 21, 2012 17:34:10 GMT 1
In March, 1995, Leah Haley and Marc Davenport had a speaking engagement at the Tampa Unity Church in Tampa, Florida. The couple regularly shared the controversial views they held at the time on such matters as aliens, multiple dimensions and military abductions.
Kurt Loft of The Tampa Tribune-Times wrote a piece on the scheduled event. Loft's article, UFO Enthusiasts to Describe Out-of-This-World Adventures, was published in the March 5, 1995, edition of the newspaper.
Loft summarized the claims and perspectives of Haley and Davenport and sought statements from other applicable sources. Major David Thurston, identified by Loft as a spokesman for the Air Force in Washington, provided comment. He explained the Pentagon did not take such claims seriously.
Fair enough. I would certainly expect Thurston to have accurately represented the policies and stances of his employer.
Loft also sought comment from Tom Deuley of MUFON. Loft wrote:
The Pentagon scoffs at the accusations, said Maj. David Thurston, a spokesman for the Air Force in Washington.
"I don't want to dignify such charges with a comment," he said. "I will say the Air Force isn't in the business of kidnapping the citizens of this country."
Nor does the Mutual UFO Network, which publishes the UFO Journal in Seguin, Texas, embrace Haley's abduction stories--either by aliens or the military.
"I would advise people to listen very closely to their lecture and apply some common sense to what they hear," said Tom Deuley of the Network, which has more than 5,200 members. "We feel very embarrassed that UFOs are the vehicle for people making a living. When people tell such ridiculous stories, it doesn't help the serious scientific work being done." Trouble was, the article and Deuley's statements were simply misrepresentations of actual MUFON actions and apparent policy.
Tom Deuley
Tom Deuley Lieutenant Commander Thomas P. Deuley, US Navy, Retired, has an impressive resume and long history in ufology. One of his many bios circulating through the UFO community states he holds an engineering degree from Auburn and a degree in advertising from San Antonio College. He has a diverse background in military affairs including security and intelligence. A former National Security Agency employee, Deuley has presented information to the UFO community on a variety of topics.
Deuley is a long time member of the MUFON board of directors. He also held key positions within additional UFO organizations and resulting projects, including the Fund for UFO Research, the UFO Research Coalition and the ill fated Ambient Monitoring Project, a program drawing substantial criticism, among other reasons, for its lack of transparency.
At the time, March 5, 1995, Loft suggested in The Tampa Trib, evidently based upon comments provided by Deuley, that neither MUFON nor its Journal embraced such abduction stories, little could have been further from correct. The facts of the matter were if we need any documentation MUFON has a long history of supporting such stories, we need look no farther than the very MUFON Journal suggested to oppose such claims.
In actuality, the 1995 February and April editions of the Journal carried a column written by then-MUFON director of abduction research, John Carpenter. The column, Abduction Notes, was regularly published in the Journal and clearly promoted and endorsed claims of abduction, both alien and military.
As a matter of fact, in February, 1995, Carpenter wrote that John Mack brought attention to the “reality of UFO abductions.” Carpenter went on in the same column to endorse Streiber's Communion and Hopkins' Intruders.
The April, 1995, installment of Abduction Notes published in the MUFON Journal saw Carpenter writing about the importance of providing professional support to alien abductees. Combined with Deuley's virtually simultaneous and particularly critical comments on such matters, the situation could reasonably be interpreted as an outrageously ironic contradiction in MUFON policy. Clearly, the MUFON stance was not entirely and accurately represented in The Trib.
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Post by meldrew on Feb 21, 2012 17:54:46 GMT 1
Leah Haley was hypnotized repeatedly throughout 1991 by a MUFON director, John Carpenter, inducing emotional upheaval and beliefs she was traumatically abducted again and again by a variety of alien and human perpetrators. She was guided by another MUFON director, Lieutenant Colonel Donald Ware, through an expedition of a US Air Force Base, supposedly searching for the site of an alien craft that was downed with her aboard and as suggested during one of the many hypnosis sessions. Her case file and the files of 139 other alleged abductees were released by Carpenter to Robert Bigelow and his military intelligence associates, as reportedly confirmed by Colonel John Alexander Haley believes she somehow became involved in covert research operations. Haley's case may, at worst, be indicative of covert psychological operations in which any number of people were manipulated and deceived. At best, Haley's story is the saga of a woman who sought the services of organizations and individuals claiming to provide quality, scientific investigation and healthy emotional support - and those organizations and individuals simply lied, be it out of ignorance, incompetence, deception or combinations thereof. I would hope the UFO community would take note of such occurrences and be interested in improving its performance. Haley's situation, extraordinary as it may seem, is actually not as unique as it may initially appear. It just happens to be relatively high profile. **************************************************** In my opinion this is one of the best pieces I'v read for a long long time, respect to Jack Brewer at ufotrail.blogspot.com/ for digging through the dirt to write this, I edited material that wasn't necessary or repeated, the latest on Rendlesham also throws weight to this comments anyone ?
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Post by ronologic on Feb 21, 2012 19:08:14 GMT 1
meldrew, Nice to see you back! "Bee in my bonnet"? On this side of the pond we call it "Having a burr under my saddle". Anyway, I almost totally agree with you on the abduction scenarios except for the Betty and Barney Hill case. What are your thoughts on this one?
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Post by meldrew on Feb 21, 2012 19:16:04 GMT 1
Here are some extracts from the recently released released article Rendlesham Exposed. The events that occurred over that weekend were the actualisation of a joint forces research project into the behavioural science of staff on nuclear bases. This exercise involved all three forces and was instigated by the DNA and developed between defense agencies and contractors. It was all planned. Not only was it a behavioural sciences research project but it was also an opportunity for them to field test various very highly advanced technologies "THIS WORK WAS SPONSORED BY THE DEFENSE NUCLEAR AGENCY UNDER RDT&E RMSS CODE B310080465 B99QAXRA10107 H2590D. ADDITIONAL SPONSORS WERE THE LAW ENFORCEMENT STANDARDS LABORATORY AND THE CONSUMER SCIENCES DIVISION OF THE NATIONAL BUREAU OF STANDARDS,' WASHINGTON,' DC 20234." part of the programme was to test pyschological deterrent perimeter fencing. This was by means of a leaky coaxal cable running at the edge of the premiter to be tested. This device emits electro magnetic energy which anyone who's studied paranormal experiences properly knows can be the cause of paranormal experience. The equipment was to give the intruder a sense of dread. The next part of the programme was to read the personal signatures of the men by way of a remote brain wave data collector called the VERP. The last part of the programme was to test holographic machinery with a view to integrating it into the on board security systems of ships and submarines, to deter or delay intruders. The leaky coaxal cable was called the Starfish. The word star fish was heard in the underlying recording of the Halt tape The patent for the starfish was filed after the event, the technology had to be proven to be valid FIRST. Previous patents lead back to 1977. in fact ALL the patents lead back to 1977..... The same year the USA sold the Russians a 40 tonne mega magnet for the woodpecker. They also wanted to know what would happen to people who breathed in heavily negatively charged ionised air. Negatively charged ionised air removed an electron from the suface of the skin tissue after having worked its way as an electrical current through the muscle tissue. Using hypnosis drugs, methods that are still being implemented today because *Jim Penniston claims to be in contact with extra terrestrial beings. The NSA have equipment that can transfer voices and images to the brain. Jims Binary code and communications are very likely to be a product of direct microwave energy weapons. There are means to test for this, calcium deficiencies and problems with lipids in the blood are two factors to check. www.examiner.com/paranormal-in-panama-city/rendelsham-exposed-a-government-inside-job-cover-up-no-aliens-present
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Post by meldrew on Feb 21, 2012 19:19:07 GMT 1
meldrew, Nice to see you back! "Bee in my bonnet"? On this side of the pond we call it "Having a burr under my saddle". Anyway, I almost totally agree with you on the abduction scenarios except for the Betty and Barney Hill case. What are your thoughts on this one? I think the hill case has some inconsistencies, they both gave a different description of the Aliens.
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Post by uforn on Feb 21, 2012 19:57:44 GMT 1
Thats alot of reading, what are the key parts to what is being said meldrew ? Ill have read this later
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Post by meldrew on Feb 21, 2012 20:09:01 GMT 1
Thats alot of reading, what are the key parts to what is being said meldrew ? Ill have read this later the suggestion is that the military are capable of putting false memories in to people, making them believe something that hasn't happened, the military are capable of false imagery, making people see something that isn't really there, that the military are capable of fooling a persons senses, this could answer a lot of questions, the military have some serious non leathal weaponry.
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Post by uforn on Feb 21, 2012 20:28:16 GMT 1
You only have to look at what the CIA did with MK ULTRA and there mind control. Is this just for the Leah Haley case or is this aimed at the majority of abductions ?
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Post by meldrew on Feb 21, 2012 21:16:15 GMT 1
You only have to look at what the CIA did with MK ULTRA and there mind control. Is this just for the Leah Haley case or is this aimed at the majority of abductions ? as far as Leah Haley is concerned it all abductions, with mufon being the go between, mufon collects data a for the military, the public think mufon are on their side but its a military organisation with a private facade, I see it like this, the military run an exercise, the public don't know what to make of it so they make a report to mufon, the military use that data to gauge the success or failure of the exercise, the same thing as Rendlesham, it seems they are all linked, if they can make their own security forces believe they've seen a ufo they can do it to the public, black ops indeed.
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Post by uforn on Feb 21, 2012 22:30:41 GMT 1
You only have to look at what the CIA did with MK ULTRA and there mind control. Is this just for the Leah Haley case or is this aimed at the majority of abductions ? as far as Leah Haley is concerned it all abductions, with mufon being the go between, mufon collects data a for the military, the public think mufon are on their side but its a military organisation with a private facade, I see it like this, the military run an exercise, the public don't know what to make of it so they make a report to mufon, the military use that data to gauge the success or failure of the exercise, the same thing as Rendlesham, it seems they are all linked, if they can make their own security forces believe they've seen a ufo they can do it to the public, black ops indeed. Thats stretching this theory abit by inciting that everyone who reports a UFO or abduction to Mufon have in fact just witnessed a "Black op's project". Whilst that may well be true in some case's there is no way that its true for all.
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Post by meldrew on Feb 22, 2012 5:51:02 GMT 1
as far as Leah Haley is concerned it all abductions, with mufon being the go between, mufon collects data a for the military, the public think mufon are on their side but its a military organisation with a private facade, I see it like this, the military run an exercise, the public don't know what to make of it so they make a report to mufon, the military use that data to gauge the success or failure of the exercise, the same thing as Rendlesham, it seems they are all linked, if they can make their own security forces believe they've seen a ufo they can do it to the public, black ops indeed. Thats stretching this theory abit by inciting that everyone who reports a UFO or abduction to Mufon have in fact just witnessed a "Black op's project". Whilst that may well be true in some case's there is no way that its true for all. this is one of the problems, you have taken the last post and twisted it for the sake of an argument, re-read it, the part where I say " the military run an exercise, this has nothing to do with what your suggesting at all, they use mufon, where the hell did I say everyone is seeing a black op, this is about military exercises and abductions, most sightings are near military establishments anyway, see your back to being offensive been on the drink again.
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Post by uforn on Feb 22, 2012 13:10:28 GMT 1
Thats stretching this theory abit by inciting that everyone who reports a UFO or abduction to Mufon have in fact just witnessed a "Black op's project". Whilst that may well be true in some case's there is no way that its true for all. this is one of the problems, you have taken the last post and twisted it for the sake of an argument, re-read it, the part where I say " the military run an exercise, this has nothing to do with what your suggesting at all, they use mufon, where the hell did I say everyone is seeing a black op, this is about military exercises and abductions, most sightings are near military establishments anyway, see your back to being offensive been on the drink again. Where in my post was I being offensive ? Quote: I see it like this, the military run an exercise, the public don't know what to make of it so they make a report to mufon, the military use that data to gauge the success or failure of the exercise, |
I do get what your saying and agree to a certain extent. But it does sound like you mean all the public. I do not get at all why you think Im trying to cause an argument ?? I thought we were having a discussion or am I wrong ? Quote: Care to explain this comment ?
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