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Post by meldrew on Dec 5, 2012 22:33:31 GMT 1
I was planning and hopeful that this thread would be a top banana thread about the Mars exploration, with facts and pictures provided by the only people who can provide it, the amount of hostility and distrust towards Nasa never ceases to amaze and annoy me, they can't win can they, what ever happens it will be B/S because no one trusts them, all the B/S is driven by conspiracy theorists who are continually making up B/S because Nasa are an easy target, I have been there and done it, I have argued with people who worked for nasa, I have been called a jackass by Alex Jones on the nasa subject, getting this thing to land on mars and it working very well is historical in itself, the data needs to be analysed, the B/S brigade need to leave it out, give credit where credit is due,
can anyone post anything on Nasa deceiving and lying that has any worth.
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Post by bazmatic on Dec 6, 2012 14:30:42 GMT 1
Mars mice!!!! www.disclose.tv/news/RODENTS_on_MARS_The_announcement_NASA_should_have_made/87110December 6, 2012 - NASA almost made a historical announcement about a rodent on Mars, but (for some reason) chickens out? Wait a minute... A member emailed this in to us today and it's really amazing and strange. It looks like a cute rodent on Mars. Note it's lighter color upper and lower eyelids, it's nose and cheek areas, it's ear, front leg and stomach. Looks similar to a squirrel camouflaged in the stones and sand by its colors. This might have been the big historical announcement that NASA was suppose to make, however they decided life on Mars was a secret worth keeping since they don't want China or Russia to beat America to Mars. So they possibly shut up about it and can take their time to Mars this way. The scientist jumped the gun and told the public about a major historical discovery on Mars... this must be what he was talking about. No? Or is it just Pareidolia ( parr-i-doh-lee-ə) - is a psychological phenomenon involving a vague and random stimulus (often an image or sound) being perceived as significant. Common examples include seeing images of animals or faces in clouds, the man in the moon or the Moon rabbit, and hearing hidden messages on records when played in reverse. Read more: www.disclose.tv/news/RODENTS_on_MARS_The_announcement_NASA_should_have_made/87110#ixzz2EHJKkpJdMaybe these guys were right Attachments:
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Post by uforn on Dec 6, 2012 21:41:48 GMT 1
Mars mice!!!! www.disclose.tv/news/RODENTS_on_MARS_The_announcement_NASA_should_have_made/87110December 6, 2012 - NASA almost made a historical announcement about a rodent on Mars, but (for some reason) chickens out? Wait a minute... A member emailed this in to us today and it's really amazing and strange. It looks like a cute rodent on Mars. Note it's lighter color upper and lower eyelids, it's nose and cheek areas, it's ear, front leg and stomach. Looks similar to a squirrel camouflaged in the stones and sand by its colors. This might have been the big historical announcement that NASA was suppose to make, however they decided life on Mars was a secret worth keeping since they don't want China or Russia to beat America to Mars. So they possibly shut up about it and can take their time to Mars this way. The scientist jumped the gun and told the public about a major historical discovery on Mars... this must be what he was talking about. No? Or is it just Pareidolia ( parr-i-doh-lee-ə) - is a psychological phenomenon involving a vague and random stimulus (often an image or sound) being perceived as significant. Common examples include seeing images of animals or faces in clouds, the man in the moon or the Moon rabbit, and hearing hidden messages on records when played in reverse. Read more: www.disclose.tv/news/RODENTS_on_MARS_The_announcement_NASA_should_have_made/87110#ixzz2EHJKkpJdMaybe these guys were right I posted a link to this yesterday baz you must have missed it
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Post by bazmatic on Dec 6, 2012 21:55:39 GMT 1
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Post by uforn on Dec 7, 2012 15:42:49 GMT 1
warning.... rant ahead... if they expect us to believe that the rover, transported this material here from earth and it did not originate from mars then would not every single test from this point forward also be flawed? I am telling you... and this is only my gut speaking... but they are feeding us BS... ans we have no other recourse but to believe.... Hi dbh, can you tell me why it "wouldnt" be possible for the rover to have transported material from earth?
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Post by dbh on Dec 7, 2012 16:31:48 GMT 1
It is not that it is imposable, I just think it is highly unlikely. I am just thinking out load here but... here NASA has developed this multi-million dollar robot. A robot that has the potential to change the entire worlds view on how we as humans may interact with the outside universe. A robot that has been specifically design to perform data analysis. Would it not be sanitized prior to deployment?
Yes prior to deployment, I am absolutely sure it is tested. Probably is some sort of replicated martian environment. A "red sand box" so to speak...
However, it is my belief, and maybe I am giving NASA too much credit here... but it is my belief that they would have completely sanitized the device prior to shipping just to avoid this type of alleged incident.
Any reputable scientist of any credibility should\would take every precaution against cross contamination.
I think this is especially true when dealing with a "foreign environment" like mars. The reason for this thinking is... since Mars is still basically an unknown... it should\would not be assumed that chemical reactions that take place on earth would be the same as in a completely new and foreign environment.
So again, just restating, it is my firm belief that NASA would have taken every possible precaution against any kind of cross examination.
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Post by uforn on Dec 7, 2012 17:06:45 GMT 1
It is not that it is imposable, I just think it is highly unlikely. I am just thinking out load here but... here NASA has developed this multi-million dollar robot. A robot that has the potential to change the entire worlds view on how we as humans may interact with the outside universe. A robot that has been specifically design to perform data analysis. Would it not be sanitized prior to deployment? Yes prior to deployment, I am absolutely sure it is tested. Probably is some sort of replicated martian environment. A "red sand box" so to speak... However, it is my belief, and maybe I am giving NASA too much credit here... but it is my belief that they would have completely sanitized the device prior to shipping just to avoid this type of alleged incident. Any reputable scientist of any credibility should\would take every precaution against cross contamination. I think this is especially true when dealing with a "foreign environment" like mars. The reason for this thinking is... since Mars is still basically an unknown... it should\would not be assumed that chemical reactions that take place on earth would be the same as in a completely new and foreign environment. So again, just restating, it is my firm belief that NASA would have taken every possible precaution against any kind of cross examination. I agree but what you have to understand we are not perfect and we could well have contamintaed some of the parts used on the rover. Any discovery of any kind that we find on mars is going to go through extreme scientific scrutiny and every possibility is going to be looked at with a fine tooth comb before anyone states anything. Then the data obtained will have to be peer reviewed by independent scientists before any conclusions can be made. Most people dont understand this process and just jump to conclusions. This is where conspiracys come from
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Post by dbh on Dec 7, 2012 17:17:28 GMT 1
I agree 100% and the thing about it...in my mind it this....
What ever they scooped up... or found... or analyzed should not be a one time only thing.
Meaning... They should be able to replicate... in some respect... the same findings in another location.
I just hope we don't have to wait till 2020 when the next Mars rover is scheduled to depart\land.
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Post by meldrew on Dec 8, 2012 16:25:25 GMT 1
there are 2 curiosity landers, they are identical in every way, one is in a "sand box" in Passadena, the other is on Mars, every movement is practised first in the sandbox before the Mars lander carries out the instruction, the one we sent to mars was, when constructed totally germ free, but I doubt it remained that way between the laboratory and the launching, there would also have been a fair bit of debris from the actual landing with parachutes and rockets being used, I would bet that some Earth germs made it to mars, as well as bits of plastic being spread around the landing area.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2012 19:11:43 GMT 1
Hello meldrew, ....the one we sent to mars was, when constructed totally germ free, but I doubt it remained that way between the laboratory and the launching, there would also have been a fair bit of debris from the actual landing with parachutes and rockets being used, I would bet that some Earth germs made it to mars, as well as bits of plastic being spread around the landing area. A fair amount of assumptive reasoning there my friend.
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Post by meldrew on Dec 8, 2012 19:20:21 GMT 1
Hello meldrew, ....the one we sent to mars was, when constructed totally germ free, but I doubt it remained that way between the laboratory and the launching, there would also have been a fair bit of debris from the actual landing with parachutes and rockets being used, I would bet that some Earth germs made it to mars, as well as bits of plastic being spread around the landing area. A fair amount of assumptive reasoning there my friend. yes, but it had to travel to the launching site, it had to be loaded onto a rocket, how can you do that in a spotless environment, and without a doubt a load of debris was fired out of curiosity during landing, logical reasoning I would call it.
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Post by dbh on Mar 12, 2013 17:50:13 GMT 1
Source - NASA - 10 minutes away for anyone interested... MEDIA ADVISORY : M13-045 NASA TV Briefing Discusses Curiosity Rover Analysis of Mars Rock <!-- Body starts -->WASHINGTON -- NASA will hold a news conference at 1 p.m. EDT, Tuesday, March 12, to discuss the Curiosity rover's analysis of the first sample of rock powder ever collected on Mars. The briefing will be held in the James E. Webb Auditorium at NASA Headquarters at 300 E St. SW in Washington. It will be broadcast live on NASA Television and streamed on the agency's website. The participants will be: -- Michael Meyer, lead scientist, Mars Exploration Program, NASA Headquarters, Washington -- John Grotzinger, Curiosity project scientist, California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, Calif. -- David Blake, principal investigator for Curiosity's Chemistry and Mineralogy investigation, NASA's Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, Calif. -- Paul Mahaffy, principal investigator for Curiosity's Sample Analysis at Mars investigation, NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. Media representatives may ask questions from participating NASA centers or by telephone. To participate by phone, reporters must contact Dwayne Brown at 202-358-1726 or dwayne.c.brown@nasa.gov by noon, March 12. During a two-year prime mission, researchers are using Curiosity's 10 science instruments to assess whether the Gale Crater area on Mars ever offered environmental conditions favorable for microbial life. For NASA TV streaming video, scheduling and downlink information, visit: www.nasa.gov/ntv
The event will also be streamed live on Ustream at: www.ustream.tv/nasajpl
More information about Curiosity is online at: www.nasa.gov/msl
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Follow Curiosity on Facebook and Twitter at: www.facebook.com/marscuriosity
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