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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2012 0:32:53 GMT 1
Hello meldrew, Sure: "Hello Dr. Clark, As you can see from my email I'm from the states. My question surrounds a mystery that maybe you can shed some light on: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12613690 At wikipedia it is stated that you have the files as a result of an official request by yourself using a policy in pace before the FOIA was instituted. Do you still have copies or are they forever lost to the public? Great Blog BTW."
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Post by uforn on Nov 6, 2012 13:09:13 GMT 1
Have you got a reply yet hiflier ?
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Post by dbh on Nov 6, 2012 22:30:15 GMT 1
Go figure... UFO WITNESS REPORTS ON RISE: U.S. INVESTIGATIONS EXPANDING source disclose.tv November 6, 2012 - Ufology is alive and well in the United States and the field appears to be fast growing along with strong growth in witness testimony, according to statistics compiled through early November 2012 with the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON). A November 4, 2012, story published in The Telegraph was one of several media outlets reporting on a statement made by Dave Wood, chairman of the Association for the Scientific Study of Anomalous Phenomena (ASSAP). Wood said a meeting had been called to address a crisis in the UFO subject to consider whether or not the subject was "a thing of the past." Wood cites UFO groups who have gone under and a decline in interest and reports on UFOs. Reached at his Cincinnati headquarters office today, MUFON Executive Director David MacDonald said ufology was alive and well. "The fact is that MUFON is receiving on average more than 700 cases a month," MacDonald said. "Furthermore the evidence is there. We have it. There are people in prison right now, some on death row, convicted on less evidence then what we have to support our belief that UFO's are real. We have eyewitness testimony, sworn affidavits, physical trace evidence, photographs and videos." MUFON is comprised of about 3,000 members and is the largest UFO investigation group organized on the planet. While the witness database of reports appears to be growing by about 30 percent annually, here are some annual numbers of total reports from Robert Powell, MUFON's Director of Research: 2007, 2,203 reports; 2008, 4,220 reports; 2009, 4,990 reports; 2010, 4,534 reports; 2011, 5,137. During the first 10 months of 2012, MUFON has received a total of 7,272 reports. Some U.S. groups studying ufology have also become extinct over the past few decades, or scaled back mainly due to a lack of funding. The Center for UFO Studies (CUFOS) in Chicago, for example, founded by Northwestern University astronomy professor Dr. J. Allen Hynek, announced recently they would cease print publication of their journal, International UFO Reporter. MUFON was organized in 1969 and has maintained a steady and serious effort to professionally investigate UFO sightings. With a headquarters office now located at the Cincinnati-Northern Kentucky International Airport, each state has a state director, chief investigator and any number of individual field investigators. All incoming cases are available for viewing by the public at their web site - mufon.com - including the date, time, state, nearest city of the sighting - and a brief witness statement of the event. A high percentage of incoming MUFON cases are revealed to be something natural or man made A smaller number of cases - possibly 5 to 10 percent - are investigated with a final determination of "Unknown." These Unknown cases are more interesting and are then studied with others of a similar determination for a longer term study. Fletcher Gray is MUFON's deputy director of investigations, the STAR Team manager, and chief investigator for Texas. He disagrees with any decline in the amount of data available and believes there is a continuing interest in the subject. "In 2006 there were 1,733 cases filed with MUFON," Gray said. "This is an average of 144 cases a month over a 12-month period. Here we are in 2012 and the year has not ended and MUFON's average caseload for the United States is more than 700 cases per month. In the last 10 months 7,272 cases have been filed with MUFON. That's a large increase in sighting reports. Granted that most of these cases are explainable, but I think the question that we need to ask is whether the public is no longer interested in ufology due to the lack of physical evidence? Collection of physical evidence is hard to come by." Stanton Friedman is a regular columnist for the monthly MUFON UFO Journal and a strong voice in ufology. "As a retired nuclear physicist who has since 1967 lectured on subjects such as Flying Saucers Are Real or Flying Saucers and Science in all 50 U.S. states, all 10 Canadian Provinces and 18 other countries, I have learned a lot about the public's attitude about flying saucers. First I have had only 11 hecklers in over 700 lectures. Two of them were drunk. When I ask at the end of my lectures how many believe they have seen a UFO, typically 10 percent raise their hands. But 90 percent of them did not report their sightings. Almost invariably the reason is fear of ridicule. Military men who raise their hands typically claim they cannot talk about what they saw. I have seen no diminution in the 45 years I have been speaking. The great majority of my audiences have been college or professional groups. "The claim that 98 percent of sightings can be explained as conventional phenomena is clearly contradicted by every large scale study. For example, in Blue Book Special Report 14, the largest unclassified study ever done by the Air Force, it was found that 21.5 percent of the 3,201 sightings investigated could not be explained completely separate from the 9.3 percent listed as insufficient information. The better the quality of the sighting, the more likely to was unidentifiable. A statistical comparison showed that the probability that the UNKNOWNS were just missed knowns was less than 1 percent. The University of Colorado study found that 30 percent of the cases studied in detail could not be identified. "In The UFO Evidence, 18 percent of 4,500 cases could not be identified. The response to my five books clearly indicates that the public is interested in facts and data, not nonsense. My team won a debate about UFO reality at the Oxford University Debating Society getting 60 percent of the vote. I won two debates on Coast to Coast Radio getting 80 percent of the vote in one case, 57 percent in another. It is time the press did its homework on this very important subject." While good UFO cases continue to occur across the country, several problems remain. Most ufologists believe that only about 5 percent of all UFO cases are actually reported. The pattern to where and when the incidents will occur remains a mystery. The objects appear to move quickly into a location without detection and then can move quickly away. Most UFOs appear to be silent - and together with the speed at which they move - frequently leave behind few witnesses that can verify the object was ever there in the first place. Here are some recent MUFON cases that turned out to be Unknowns: Second sighting reported of dark triangle UFO low over Texas town 'Flying wing' UFO with no sound reported over Texas town California couple records video of daylight boomerang UFO 'Huge triangle craft' reported hovering low over Missouri town North Carolina teens discover UFOs appear on Thursday nights Montana witness describes 'circular object' that made no sound Orange light UFO ejects smaller gray sphere over Texas town Flashing object 'descends to 200 feet' over Sacramento traffic Cigar UFO reported hovering over Indiana town just 'disappeared' Disc UFO reported over Florida's Polk County in populated area Soldier reports 'glowing green orb' at Fort Sill Army post New witness surfaces in Illinois UFO case from January 2000 ( via examiner.com ) Read more: www.disclose.tv/news/UFO_witness_reports_on_rise_US_investigations_expanding/86294#ixzz2BTqGqhct
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Post by meldrew on Nov 6, 2012 23:02:20 GMT 1
or could it be the old style of research has died, and the old style researchers can't make a living by flogging their books that us new style researchers are slating for being incorrect, and we are seeing through their B/S and lazy reporting, why spend £20 on a book when you can research a thousand times more for free on the net, how can you see a picture in a book and then ask the book the questions that need to be asked. the old days have gone, we have so much more opportunity to research than we ever did, and we don't have to put up with the B/S from the old geezers anymore.
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Post by dbh on Nov 6, 2012 23:11:08 GMT 1
Well, I also think with the advent of smartphones and ufo reporting websites that it is easier to report sightings and still remain somewhat anonymous.
Again... just becasue we have more sightings... or more reports.... does not mean they are any more valid.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2012 0:08:23 GMT 1
Hello uforn,
No, I have had no response yet. I don't think my email was critical sounding. Besides, if he is that close to the case I would think he would have been rather quick to respond, especially if he had the files. This is not looking too good.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2012 0:12:26 GMT 1
Hello meldrew,
Good stuff from MUFON. Thanks for posting it.
"... the public is interested in facts and data, not nonsense...". Couldn't agree more with this statement. It's also why I very much like being a member of this Forum. A no-nonsense group if there ever was one!
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Post by meldrew on Nov 7, 2012 11:26:23 GMT 1
Dr David Clarke on the Telegraph article. UFOlogy: Dead Again? Posted on November 4, 2012 Today’s Sunday Telegraph poses the question that has been asked many times before: What is the point of UFOlogy (the ‘study of UFOs’). UFOlogy – Dead or alive? “Having failed to establish any evidence for the existence of extraterrestrial life, Britain’s UFO watchers are reaching the conclusion that truth might not be out there after all,” writes Jasper Copping. “Enthusiasts admit that a continued failure to provide proof and a decline in the number of ‘flying saucer’ sightings suggests that aliens do not exist after all.” This lack of proof, according to the Telegraph, could spell the end of UFOlogy as a subject by the end of the decade. But of course if you set out to prove either that UFOs are alien craft or don’t exist and spend years chasing a chimera you will inevitably end up either a ‘believer’ or a skeptic. As there is no evidence for visitations from aliens the only way to get around this problem is to believe, so making it a matter of faith rather than of evidence. Which brings me back to the whole point of the article. The peg is that a special “summit on the future of UFOlogy” will be held at the University of Worcester on 17 November. Organised by the Association for the Scientific Study of Anomalous Phenomena (ASSAP), a panel of speakers will ask if there is anything to be gained from rehashing the same old cases over and over and if not, whether the subject really is in terminal decline. So it is dead? Most seasoned observers will agree the numbers of significant and evidential UFO events have declined in the past decade as the debate has become increasingly focussed upon the twin myths of “saucer crashes” and alien abductions. As the obsession with abductions has died away, we have seen the resurrection of tired old sacred cows such as Roswell and the new Roswell (Rendlesham), both endlessly revived and re-revived for new audiences. Meanwhile the closure of many long-standing UFO magazines and groups that once provided a platform for discussions on a range of alternatives to the ETH has reduced the subject’s internal pluralism. In its place, whole UFO communities have migrated online where discourse has grown increasingly polarised and extreme. UFOlogists have always been obsessed with government cover-ups but the influence of conspiracy theories and the arrival of Exopolitics have taken these ideas into more extreme and alarming directions. One beacon of light is the venerable British UFO Research Association (BUFORA) which held its 50th anniversary conference in London in September. According to founder member Lionel Beer it was “standing room only” at the association’s first conference in 1962, when the subject was fresh and exciting. Membership may have dwindled since then but according to blogger Andrew May most of the British UFOlogists who attended were less single-mindedly fixated on the extra-terrestrial hypothesis than their American counterparts. Officially, BUFORA styles its approach as “scientifically factual” and lectures included references to “political, cultural and social influences” on UFO reporting. Investigations chief Heather Dixon pointed out that 95% of the 500-plus sightings received each year have rational explanations. But in a perceptive feature, BBC journalist Jon Kelly noted that scientific UFOlogy was its own worst enemy as the rank and file membership don’t want to hear about misperceptions and IFOs: “Questions from the floor tend to concern whether they think a spacecraft landed at Rendlesham Forest or if the American government is covering something up at Area 51.” Is UFOlogy dead or alive? I predict ASSAP may be posing the same question in 2022 but as far I’m concerned the subject remains interesting as an example of living myth. The question ‘do aliens exist’ is actually nothing to do with ‘do UFOs exist’. Of course UFOs exist, in that people see unidentified things in the sky. Their stories and interpretations of what they have seen remain interesting for a whole series of reasons, none of which have any bearing on the existence of extraterrestrials. The bottom line is that UFOs = aliens is a dead end. drdavidclarke.co.uk/2012/11/04/ufology-dead-again/edited to add a beginning as there wasn't one and its a bit silly not having one
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Post by bazmatic on Nov 7, 2012 15:31:33 GMT 1
Quite a strange article this, a smaller version was in my daily paper and I can't understand the reason behind it. Perhaps in 10 years we will know who the aliens are and what is flying about the skys, hence no more research needed Or is it another 'expert' talking bs?
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Post by uforn on Nov 7, 2012 16:45:17 GMT 1
Again... just becasue we have more sightings... or more reports.... does not mean they are any more valid. Youve hit the nail on the head dbh This is the problem in 10yrs time its going to be a hell of alot harder to find and investigate a true unknown sighting. We are always going to get reports thats a given, but the way things are going we are fighting a losing battle. On the plus side of things, I spoke with Heather Dixon a couple of weeks ago, Heather is the Investigations Co-ordinator for BUFORA. I was talking about my Investigator course which I put on hold for a while, along with another project Im working on with another member here, anyway we got talking about sightings and how the majority could be explained easily, now then I was told that there was a big increase of high strangness UFO sightings reported over the past year here in the UK. I dont know any details or anything but I found that to be very interesting.
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Post by dbh on Nov 7, 2012 17:40:29 GMT 1
My own personal view is... I also agree ufology to be dead in 10 years... but for a different reason... I honestly think some sort of UFO disclosure will happen before then....
Many people assume... that the only way for disclosure to occur would be for the US to make the announcement. I actually think... it might come from one of the following.... either Brazil or the vatican.... with other nations following suit... then confirmation coming from the US...
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Post by meldrew on Nov 7, 2012 18:03:29 GMT 1
My own personal view is... I also agree ufology to be dead in 10 years... but for a different reason... I honestly think some sort of UFO disclosure will happen before then.... Many people assume... that the only way for disclosure to occur would be for the US to make the announcement. I actually think... it might come from one of the following.... either Brazil or the vatican.... with other nations following suit... then confirmation coming from the US... interesting comment there dbh, what do you think the reason for disclosure would be ?
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Post by dbh on Nov 7, 2012 18:25:10 GMT 1
There are a couple of reasons... one is... i think there is power to be gained in you are... out in front of the story.... take the vatican for example.... can you imagine if they where to make a disclosre statement??? the tremendous amount of power they would gain?
but also... I think technology will improve to a point that something will be come indisputable... a discovery... DNA... something... Do i think... UFO's will land on the white house lawn... no...
on a completely different level... I think...as we are seeing... people that have these secrets... are slowly releasing information... preparing the public....
you ever wonder how our world might be different today if... and I dont know if it was a real UFO or not...but... how different would our world be today... if the air force never retracted the whole Rosewell crash?
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Post by uforn on Nov 7, 2012 18:49:08 GMT 1
I dont think Disclosure will come from any Gov, We have been looking for Disclosure since at least the 40s. Its not going to happen IMO.
I believe Disclosure will only come through Scientific Research, ie: finding traces of life on Mars or maybe one of the moons in the solar system. We have a very good chance now of finding traces of life on Mars with the Curiosity Mission.
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Post by dbh on Nov 7, 2012 18:52:54 GMT 1
yes, so...we somewhat agree... when I said..."I think technology will improve to a point that something will be come indisputable... a discovery... DNA... something"
could disclosure happen from some university?
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Post by uforn on Nov 7, 2012 19:12:39 GMT 1
yes, so...we somewhat agree... when I said..."I think technology will improve to a point that something will be come indisputable... a discovery... DNA... something" could disclosure happen from some university? Any discovery of life on another planet will have to be peer reviewed and verified by many different Research Labs and Universitys. (unless aliens land) so yes I would say there will be some Univeritys that would be involved with any Disclosure. Id like to think so anyway
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Post by meldrew on Nov 7, 2012 20:50:38 GMT 1
if there was a disclosure it could come from a media outlet, they seem to be all powerful these days, they have been getting our government to admit things that has been denied or swept under the carpet, but it is a big fat IF
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 1:01:46 GMT 1
Hello uforn, Got this from Dr. Clarke: "Not sure which files you mean, but DEFE 24/2048/1, is the 'rendlesham file'. This contains some DIS papers from the files covering 1980-82 that were subsequently lost or destroyed. See also: drdavidclarke.co.uk/national-archives-ufo-files-7/national-archives-ufo-files-7/I'm pretty sure you can download the file from The National Archives UFO website, for a small charge, bests Dave Clarke." I'm confused.
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Post by meldrew on Nov 8, 2012 11:10:19 GMT 1
if there was a disclosure it could come from a media outlet, they seem to be all powerful these days, they have been getting our government to admit things that has been denied or swept under the carpet, but it is a big fat IFand then this hits the news stands Brian Cox: BBC bosses feared alien discovery could breach editorial guidelinesBrian Cox and his Stargazing Live crew were banned from searching for life on a newly discovered planet because BBC bosses feared aliens may breach editorial guidelines. Brian Cox and his Stargazing Live crew were banned from searching for life on a newly discovered planet because BBC bosses feared aliens may breach editorial guidelines. Prof Brian Cox claims the BBC scuppered his attempts to search for alien life live on air in case aliens breached editorial guidelines Prof Cox, who hosts the show with comedian Dara O'Briain, said he had hoped to point the Jodrell Bank telescope at the planet Threapleton Holmes B after it was discovered live on air last year and listen for signs of life. But he claimed he was prevented from doing so because the Corporation was concerned that a discovery of aliens could violate BBC regulations. Speaking on the BBC Radio 6 Music breakfast show on Wednesday, Prof Cox said: "The BBC actually said 'You can't do that. We need to go through the regulations and health and safety and everything in case we discover a signal from an alien civilisation'. " , you mean we would discover the first hint that there is other intelligent life in the universe beyond Earth, live on air, and you're worried about the health and safety of it? "It was incredible. They did have guidelines. Compliance!" Prof Cox added. The Stargazing Live team had considered filming a feature on Mars which would ask the audience to help search for signs of geological activity which could point to past or current life on the planet. "Someone from the BBC said to me, 'Would there have to be a prize if someone discovered it?'" he said. ", what do you mean? You're going to say to someone: 'You discovered the first evidence for alien life beyond Earth, and here's a book voucher as well? You think that's going to make it better? Nectar points?'" A BBC spokesman said: "In making the series there were many light hearted conversations, one of which was about how different organisations might react to the discovery of alien life.”
www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/9661398/Brian-Cox-BBC-bosses-feared-alien-discovery-could-breach-editorial-guidelines.html
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Post by uforn on Nov 8, 2012 14:32:00 GMT 1
Hello uforn, Got this from Dr. Clarke: "Not sure which files you mean, but DEFE 24/2048/1, is the 'rendlesham file'. This contains some DIS papers from the files covering 1980-82 that were subsequently lost or destroyed. See also: drdavidclarke.co.uk/national-archives-ufo-files-7/national-archives-ufo-files-7/I'm pretty sure you can download the file from The National Archives UFO website, for a small charge, bests Dave Clarke." I'm confused. Yes so am I mate, Ill try and find the document then we can go from there
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Post by uforn on Nov 8, 2012 16:36:33 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2012 2:25:16 GMT 1
Hello uforn,
That's pretty much the circle I experienced as well. My confusion was concerning Dr Clarke himself. His blog BTW I think is excellent but I wasn't getting the data that I thought he was holding. It appeared that he had missing files or copies of files BEFORE the ones in the archives went "missing". On that note though I find it incredulous that there was only ONE set or copied set of files in existence. It simply doesn't fly with me at all. My guess? those files exist somewhere no matter what the official position is. Yeah sure, they're missing from the National Archives but so what. It's almost impossible for me to believe something that sensitive and important goes missing. What good is a National Archive if archiving becomes a matter of subjective culling of files or data. EVERYTHING should be kept or it is a sham to be called an Arcive in the first place. Just my 2 cents.
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Post by uforn on Nov 9, 2012 15:09:33 GMT 1
Hello uforn, That's pretty much the circle I experienced as well. My confusion was concerning Dr Clarke himself. His blog BTW I think is excellent but I wasn't getting the data that I thought he was holding. It appeared that he had missing files or copies of files BEFORE the ones in the archives went "missing". On that note though I find it incredulous that there was only ONE set or copied set of files in existence. It simply doesn't fly with me at all. My guess? those files exist somewhere no matter what the official position is. Yeah sure, they're missing from the National Archives but so what. It's almost impossible for me to believe something that sensitive and important goes missing. What good is a National Archive if archiving becomes a matter of subjective culling of files or data. EVERYTHING should be kept or it is a sham to be called an Arcive in the first place. Just my 2 cents. edited: for roten speling We need to Investigate this some more and create a separate thread as we are way off topic here. (But Ill let this ride for now). Here is Dr Clarke showing and discussing the files. www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcIF5INyAecThem files he is talking about are not the same files that I posted. Something is amiss here Im sure of it. At the min I cant get my head round it Im still confused
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Post by meldrew on Nov 13, 2012 9:24:24 GMT 1
Britain’s UFO watchers are reaching the conclusion that the truth might not be out there after all.
Declining numbers of “flying saucer” sightings
could the reason that there are less reported sightings be that there is nothing to be gained apart from ridicule if someone does report a sighting, I heard a very good case the other night, told to me personally, the people who had the sighting had no intention of reporting it for these reasons, they were sober non drug users in responsible jobs and didn't want any thing to do with any of the hassle that goes with reporting such things.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2012 0:01:22 GMT 1
Hello meldrew,
Sad isn't it? I mean who can blame them. Ufologies landscape seems more a pile of ruble as different factions vie for the spotlight. For example, whydo so many different groups run conferences? The war for money has succeeded in diluting the strength and credibility almost as much as hoaxes. Who can choose where to align themselves and who's on the up and up?
On the subject of your friends, I myself after 63 years of nothing saw something about 3 weeks ago. I've been thinking about it ever since and want to organize my thoughts before saying anything about it yet. I have some research to do WRT one or two points that I need to clarify before I say anything though. Believe me I know what those people mean and I know you do as well. In my case I definitely have questions to iron out. Sorry for sounding cryptic but I hate crying wolf.
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Post by allan53 on Nov 14, 2012 0:38:42 GMT 1
Sounds like the standard puff article to me. 'Let's do an article on UFOs, that'll sell some papers!"
I'm not from the UK, is the Telegraph a serious newspaper or one of those silly opinionated ones? (Not perfectly worded, but hopefully you'll get what I mean).
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Post by webrat on Feb 2, 2013 23:02:39 GMT 1
ufo sightings may actually be rising according to an article by Jason McClellan in which he tries to show the inconsistent reporting by mainstream media.the article can be read at-http:/openminds.tv/ufo-reports-up-ufo-reports-down-the-medias-roller-coaster-reporting-871/.The general public is much more comfortable than it has been in the past and as you know without sensationalism everyday they are easily bored and move on.Larger ufo groups have always found funding to be a problem and it doesn't surprise me to witness them fade away however disappointing that may be.It seems clear that the hard proof long searched for will remain elusive so fretting about it seems not to be fruitful.Technology has hurt the discovery process and will continue to do so as faked images will only get better and better and the internet allows such quick response to questions that it also eliminates much need for traditional ufo catch-all reporting organizations.despite that however,I don't really see the end as being in sight as of yet but perhaps a paradigm shift in how it will continue to be researched is in order.
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Post by meldrew on Feb 3, 2013 2:07:18 GMT 1
ufo sightings may actually be rising according to an article by Jason McClellan in which he tries to show the inconsistent reporting by mainstream media.the article can be read at-http:/openminds.tv/ufo-reports-up-ufo-reports-down-the-medias-roller-coaster-reporting-871/.The general public is much more comfortable than it has been in the past and as you know without sensationalism everyday they are easily bored and move on.Larger ufo groups have always found funding to be a problem and it doesn't surprise me to witness them fade away however disappointing that may be.It seems clear that the hard proof long searched for will remain elusive so fretting about it seems not to be fruitful.Technology has hurt the discovery process and will continue to do so as faked images will only get better and better and the internet allows such quick response to questions that it also eliminates much need for traditional ufo catch-all reporting organizations.despite that however,I don't really see the end as being in sight as of yet but perhaps a paradigm shift in how it will continue to be researched is in order. A paradigm shift, I would say sorting the wheat from the chaff, suss out the hoax's and the natural phenomenon and the military then what we have left is something, because there is something to look at, not a lot but there is, thats what we do.
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Post by sddwashington on Feb 4, 2013 9:53:39 GMT 1
I'm not doing riddles today, so you'll have to tell us, I dont know the answer to the riddle Do you know what Gentleman, I do not think that Clarke ever had the documents. I get sick and tired of the same old same old. You know, the documents were stolen, they have been misplaced, they were shipped to the wrong agency, they were destroyed, the shipment was bloody hijacked!!! I am sick of Lies, Lies and more lies. I just got a very nice Email from Glen Stecking of the Adamski foundation. He told me I could have access to his whole library of documents, photos etc. So on this Saturday I leave Brisbane for LA. I am going to try to meet him there. But this is off of my radar, but my point is this, and uforn you can hold me to this, I will always have the goods and something else to back up the goods. If you think I am being funny, you will see. Hiflier will get some things first and with his approval I will but the things up here. See Hiflier!!! You have been so straight with me, I trust you flying a Boeing 747-400ER with 4 flame outs at 41000!!!!
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