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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 17:07:12 GMT 1
Hello uforn,
Good stuff, that's what research is all about. I read the post and the links. No smoking gun there. I almost didn't bother because of the very first sentence:
"The power source is a reactor which uses element 115 as its fuel. In this reactor element 115 is used as a target and is bombarded with protons in a small, highly sophisticated particle accelerator."
As I said before, where does the particle accelerator get the power to bambard the 115? This is NOT like the chicken or the egg. One still has to kick-start the motorcycle!
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Post by uforn on Jan 10, 2013 17:09:19 GMT 1
Just because we dont understand the science doesnt mean it cant be, Ill let you ponder that thought Really hiflier ? you read all the links and pdf's I posted, all I can say is "WOW" There is no way you could have read all that in such a small amount of time, give me a break!
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Post by dbh on Jan 10, 2013 17:13:24 GMT 1
THere is alot of information to absorb here, is is possable to snip this info into a new Element 115 thread for future reference?
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Post by uforn on Jan 10, 2013 17:21:51 GMT 1
THere is alot of information to absorb here, is is possable to snip this info into a new Element 115 thread for future reference? Yes this info should have its own thread dbh
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 17:33:27 GMT 1
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Post by uforn on Jan 10, 2013 17:42:39 GMT 1
If that were the case why didnt you post them? as they are a "BIG" part to this discussion ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 18:00:54 GMT 1
Hello uforn,
Because I posted the decay chain that started with ununoctium down to ununtritium. That data included the wiki 's ununpentium article. As far as the Bob Lazar reactor stuff? Give me a break. Machining element 115 into triangular pieces? You can't machine something that doesn't exist. Now who isn't reading? Have you understood anything I've posted? The material simply doesn't exist. It is physically impossible. Bob's claim of seeing 500 lbs of it is a lie. Watch his video again, the part about where the stuff exists and how it got here. It's a joke.
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Post by uforn on Jan 10, 2013 18:10:00 GMT 1
Hello uforn, Because I posted the decay chain that started with ununoctium down to ununtritium. That data included the wiki 's ununpentium article. As far as the Bob Lazar reactor stuff? Give me a break. Machining element 115 into triangular pieces? You can't machine something that doesn't exist. Now who isn't reading? Have you understood anything I've posted? The material simply doesn't exist. It is physically impossible. Bob's claim of seeing 500 lbs of it is a lie. Watch his video again, the part about where the stuff exists and how it got here. It's a joke.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 18:16:54 GMT 1
Hello uforn,
As a follow-up Lazar says that the process violates the First Law of Thermodynamics. But in spite of that, being the physicist he claims to be, his wonderfully technical explaination to answer that? "It works." And that's makes things alright? That is acceptable as a reason the First law of Thermodynamics somehow doesn't apply to this? Prove to me that faeries don't pilot ufos.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 18:55:02 GMT 1
Hello uforn, On the issue of the physics pdfs from LLNL. I am not a physicist and I do not claim to understand everything that in in those reports but I do understand the difference between firm statements and suppositions: From here:https://e-reports-ext.llnl.gov/pdf/338922.pdf "If the assignment of Element 115 is correct for the parent, the 5-á-decay descendant would be dubnium." This is the order of decay for the heavy elements with dubnium being tha subject of the LLNL pdfs. Note the half-life times especially for element 115. These is no way Lazar saw a 500lb pile of this stuff.
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Post by uforn on Jan 10, 2013 19:14:02 GMT 1
Hello uforn, On the issue of the physics pdfs from LLNL. I am not a physicist and I do not claim to understand everything that in in those reports but I do understand the difference between firm statements and suppositions: From here:https://e-reports-ext.llnl.gov/pdf/338922.pdf "If the assignment of Element 115 is correct for the parent, the 5-á-decay descendant would be dubnium." This is the order of decay for the heavy elements with dubnium being tha subject of the LLNL pdfs. Note the half-life times especially for element 115. These is no way Lazar saw a 500lb pile of this stuff. We are talking about an "Alien UFO" here, Lazar told us about element 115 15 years "before" we could even synthesize it, its now on the periodic table but it wasnt back then. Science is changing all the time, as technology gets better so does the Science. Like I said in another post, Prove that element 115 cant exist in a natural form on another planet and be stable? You cant and so we continue to find out, as our technology gets better so do the expiriments our scientists do, and so we gain a better understanding of what is really possible. To say it cant be well..........
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 19:23:47 GMT 1
Hello uforn,
Posted by you:
"Ununpentium has been theorized to be inside the island of stability. This probably explains why it had all sorts of lore around it before it was actually synthesized."
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Post by uforn on Jan 10, 2013 19:43:37 GMT 1
So when was that theory and more important the date ? as its not on wiki ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 20:08:13 GMT 1
Hello uforn, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_of_stability"The possibility of an "island of stability" was first proposed by Glenn T. Seaborg in the late 1960s[2]. The hypothesis is that the atomic nucleus is built up in "shells" in a manner similar to the structure of the much larger electron shells in atoms. In both cases, shells are just groups of quantum energy levels that are relatively close to each other. Energy levels from quantum states in two different shells will be separated by a relatively large energy gap. So when the number of neutrons and protons completely fills the energy levels of a given shell in the nucleus, the binding energy per nucleon will reach a local maximum and thus that particular configuration will have a longer lifetime than nearby isotopes that do not possess filled shells"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 20:15:40 GMT 1
Hello uforn,
It's the unfilled shells of the nearby isotopes like in the chart I posted that are unstable. Element 115 (ununpentium) at 220 milliseconds is not as bad as say, ununoctium at only .89 milliseconds. You've more than likely noticed different millisecond values being thrown around for these different elements. That's because there are different isotopes of each.
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Post by sddwashington on Jan 31, 2013 11:15:01 GMT 1
As technology gets better so does science, and therefore I will sit on the fence with the scientists that believe a stable isotope of the element might exist. We once thought the world was flat we now know thats not the case. These are the best Posts I have ever seen on this subject. I believe in advancing science as does uforn. It is also Bibical. In 1913 we could go about 30 mph in a motor carriage. In 2013 we go at least 27000 miles an hour to escape the Earths gravity to go to the ISS. We have been to the moon how many times? Look at medical science. My all of you get my drift I am sure. UFONR, I stand by you and wait and see.
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Post by sddwashington on Jan 31, 2013 14:03:49 GMT 1
Hello All, Shot an email off to a physycist at Cornell University who studies collider data and processes along with heavy element physics. We'll see what comes back. Time to start getting to the bottom of Lazar. Element 115 is the chief cornerstone of his claims WRT UFO propulsion. if the cornerstone is made of clay his credibility will be effectively eroded. This is the kind of stuff this Forum is all about so feel free to get involved. You would be more than welcomed for your ideas as well as any resources you yourselves may have or can find to offer. [br Hiflier, I have watched the two YouTube video,s with a note pad. Friedman seems legitimate. Robert Lazar, well as He said himself No Comment. You let us all know about your E-mail research from Cornell. I know all about Half life from Pharmacology studies. 115 having milliseconds in half life, well I do not know what to say.
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Post by Tommy on Jan 31, 2013 18:15:53 GMT 1
As technology gets better so does science, and therefore I will sit on the fence with the scientists that believe a stable isotope of the element might exist. We once thought the world was flat we now know thats not the case. These are the best Posts I have ever seen on this subject. I believe in advancing science as does uforn. It is also Bibical. In 1913 we could go about 30 mph in a motor carriage. In 2013 we go at least 27000 miles an hour to escape the Earths gravity to go to the ISS. We have been to the moon how many times? Look at medical science. My all of you get my drift I am sure. UFONR, I stand by you and wait and see. Them posts are by me sdd, I am uforn
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Post by sddwashington on Jan 31, 2013 23:06:44 GMT 1
UFORN, Sir I know that was you. I was saying that I support you (UFORN) in your changing science in which you are right. That it why I included what you said. Your name was plainly on what you wrote and what I quoted. It is your work. No Worries
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Post by sddwashington on Jan 31, 2013 23:09:50 GMT 1
As technology gets better so does science, and therefore I will sit on the fence with the scientists that believe a stable isotope of the element might exist. We once thought the world was flat we now know thats not the case. These are the best Posts I have ever seen on this subject. I believe in advancing science as does uforn. It is also Bibical. In 1913 we could go about 30 mph in a motor carriage. In 2013 we go at least 27000 miles an hour to escape the Earths gravity to go to the ISS. We have been to the moon how many times? Look at medical science. My all of you get my drift I am sure. UFONR, I stand by you and wait and see. This is the Post where I quote you. Do you see your name above?
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Post by dbh on Feb 7, 2013 16:51:27 GMT 1
I thought it would be interesting to look back in time....
Not many people are aware but the internet is archived constantly and as a result it is possable to go back in time and view old websites that do not exist anymore...
Below is a link to boblazar.com as it looked on June 21, 2000.
web.archive.org/web/20000621080934/http://www.boblazar.com/
I specifically chose this date because it allowed me access without entereing a username or password
What I found most interesting while looking back in time by using the "way back machine"
archive.org/web/web.php
was how many times bob's site was "hacked".... and/or infected with trojian horses....
anyways.... while I have not really gone through his website yet... maybe it can provide additional information on the validity or lack validity of bob...
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Post by Tommy on Feb 7, 2013 18:38:43 GMT 1
I thought it would be interesting to look back in time....
Not many people are aware but the internet is archived constantly and as a result it is possable to go back in time and view old websites that do not exist anymore...
Below is a link to boblazar.com as it looked on June 21, 2000.
web.archive.org/web/20000621080934/http://www.boblazar.com/
I specifically chose this date because it allowed me access without entereing a username or password
What I found most interesting while looking back in time by using the "way back machine"
archive.org/web/web.php
was how many times bob's site was "hacked".... and/or infected with trojian horses....
anyways.... while I have not really gone through his website yet... maybe it can provide additional information on the validity or lack validity of bob...
I already knew this dbh but others wont, so thanks for posting. Here is another link to Bobs old site ~ users.skynet.be/bob.lazar/www.boblazar.com/closed/index.html
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Post by sddwashington on Feb 8, 2013 15:08:57 GMT 1
This is my second go at this Post about Stanton Friedman and Bob Lazar. The whole Element 115 is as one member said 99.9% Fairyland stuff. It is Lazars appetizer to feed his stuff that He himself does not even understand. Think about like Hiflier did about Lazars talks in which he himself gets lost in his own answer. It is who is going to out do who. It is plain to see the circus out there.
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Post by meldrew on Feb 14, 2013 20:17:33 GMT 1
I thought it would be interesting to look back in time....
Not many people are aware but the internet is archived constantly and as a result it is possable to go back in time and view old websites that do not exist anymore...
Below is a link to boblazar.com as it looked on June 21, 2000.
web.archive.org/web/20000621080934/http://www.boblazar.com/
I specifically chose this date because it allowed me access without entereing a username or password
What I found most interesting while looking back in time by using the "way back machine"
archive.org/web/web.php
was how many times bob's site was "hacked".... and/or infected with trojian horses....
anyways.... while I have not really gone through his website yet... maybe it can provide additional information on the validity or lack validity of bob...
I already knew this dbh but others wont, so thanks for posting. Here is another link to Bobs old site ~ users.skynet.be/bob.lazar/www.boblazar.com/closed/index.html quote by uforn from a previous post : If that were the case why didnt you post them? as they are a "BIG" part to this discussion ?
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