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Post by Laurance on Mar 11, 2013 22:29:17 GMT 1
When up for election, Mr Cameron promised to release files on UFOs held by the MOD and other government authorities.
He has not carried out his promise. Maybe we could petition him, with a reminder of his promise.
We could post this online to various other groups, once the petition is online, promote this group and get enough signatures.
What'da ya say?
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Post by uforn on Mar 12, 2013 17:05:34 GMT 1
The Uk Govt has released their UFO files
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Post by Laurance on Mar 12, 2013 18:23:05 GMT 1
The Uk Govt has released their UFO files Not all and only became free for a month. Cameron promised a complete access to all files pertaining to UFOs. Also all the ones currently in circulation at MOD. So far there are no individual reports from other agencies, like the Army, RAF and RN.
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Post by uforn on Mar 12, 2013 18:56:43 GMT 1
The Uk Govt has released their UFO files Not all and only became free for a month. Cameron promised a complete access to all files pertaining to UFOs. Also all the ones currently in circulation at MOD. So far there are no individual reports from other agencies, like the Army, RAF and RN. I believe there are still some more to be released, I know what your saying but at this moment I dont know how we could pull it off and get them to release Govt Investigations into sightings and what have you. Im going to need to have a think about this. If we can figure out a way then we could go for it. Here's the link to the e-petitions ~ epetitions.direct.gov.uk/
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Post by Aelius on Mar 12, 2013 21:28:40 GMT 1
Does anyone has the entire collection somewhere I can skim through?
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Post by uforn on Mar 12, 2013 21:47:41 GMT 1
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Post by Laurance on Mar 13, 2013 6:48:06 GMT 1
I'll upload some more of the MOD files today
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Post by sddwashington on Mar 16, 2013 2:46:59 GMT 1
You U.K. gentlemen are on to something. The same thing was ask to Julia Gillard By myself via Parliament House in Canberra on January 23rd, 2013, 9:31 AM. I know if Cameron turns the heat up, then Canberra might bend, but PM Kevin Rudd told me just prior to my American trip that I should not suspect anything because our election year is starting and He made a good point of that.
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Post by blu on Mar 22, 2013 15:08:33 GMT 1
Petitions with regards to the topics of aerial phenomena are an absolute waste of time.
Forget the fact that it would only be about pacifying a miniscule percent of the overall population when the majority of the world could care less. There are far more important issues such as gun violence, terrorism, AIDS, education reform, economy, etc. that are far more important to the populace that whether or not events that happened years ago are\were real. If a topic is classified it is for a reason. Most likely the reason would be military or for safety of the public. Releasing classified information does not only show the world what you know. It also shows the world what you don’t know.
How would it make you feel if you found out that China or Russia had access to alien technology and was in the process of reverse engineering and your country albeit UK or USA was not in procession of such technology? Not letting the enemy know what you don’t know is a basic strategic maneuver.
I ask you, what benefit or motivation is there for governments to release what they know and why? Think about your answer very carefully, it is not about answering me, your answer has to be able to convince the keepers of the secrets that the world is better of knowing this information than not.
If you think you signature is enough, think again.
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Post by Aelius on Mar 22, 2013 19:05:34 GMT 1
I agree. I really have not seen petitions do anything expect gain notoriety.
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Post by Laurance on Mar 25, 2013 9:10:20 GMT 1
Sitting around and doing nothing is bad.
There was a phrase we learnt in Northern Ireland, Better to die on your feet than live on your knees in surrender.
Also being ex-military I understand the classification system better than most people. Almost everything recorded in the military is classified and kept from public eye for a number of years, why? It is because things need to be checked, time needs to pass on some things etc.
If China or Russia had alien tech and was successfully reverse engineering it, then the question is how do we know about it, yet are unable to acquire the tech? Also does it matter if they had this tech? Look through the history of military technology, it never stays in one country for long.
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Post by blu on Mar 25, 2013 14:59:38 GMT 1
I will ask you again, what benefit or motivation is there for governments to release what they know and why?
How does admitting what governments know make the world safer?
“Mr. President! Mr. President! Do we know why they are here and are we able to stop them?”
Till the answer to both questions is yes. Your petition and signature are just waste of time. So, if you are just wasting your time, is that not the same as sitting around and doing nothing?
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Post by Laurance on Mar 25, 2013 16:42:36 GMT 1
I will ask you again, what benefit or motivation is there for governments to release what they know and why? How does admitting what governments know make the world safer? “Mr. President! Mr. President! Do we know why they are here and are we able to stop them?” Till the answer to both questions is yes. Your petition and signature are just waste of time. So, if you are just wasting your time, is that not the same as sitting around and doing nothing? Motivation and Benefit is more trust in the government by the general populace. Did I state it makes the world safer? Also how do we know someone out there spots something in said released reports that might make the world safer? Also it isn't a waste of time, the information gleamed from reports already released show their is a wealth of information out there, from government projects to interactions with 'intelligent beings'. Seems you have no trust whatsoever. So how do you research UFOlogy? Do you believe there is nothing to be collected from Government sources?
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Post by blu on Mar 25, 2013 17:24:16 GMT 1
Trust? LOL, you gain trust? This is all about trust?
A.D. After Disclosure: The People's Guide to Life After Contact – Richard M Dolan, Bryce Zebel
What if UFO secrecy ended tomorrow? This work of speculative non-fiction confronts all the disturbing challenges facing government, science, religion, media, culture, law, education, and politics once the denials end. How do we cope with the reality that we are not alone?
maybe these guys can talk some common sense into you.
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Post by Laurance on Mar 25, 2013 17:39:56 GMT 1
Trust? LOL, you gain trust? This is all about trust? A.D. After Disclosure: The People's Guide to Life After Contact – Richard M Dolan, Bryce Zebel What if UFO secrecy ended tomorrow? This work of speculative non-fiction confronts all the disturbing challenges facing government, science, religion, media, culture, law, education, and politics once the denials end. How do we cope with the reality that we are not alone?
maybe these guys can talk some common sense into you. Ah I see, the typical, let's attack approach. See these people think that UFO secrecy ending would mean automatic proof of little green men and FTL travel. Doesn't mean that at all. For all we know the Government know a little bit more than we do.
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Post by Laurance on Mar 25, 2013 17:52:09 GMT 1
Also if petitions/public pressure means nothing, how do you explain the release of file pertaining to UFOs already? You do know that was because of public pressure and interest at the time. In the last two years interest from the public has dwindled. It happens every so often, the public get an interest in something, the government release things to keep them quiet, then the public move on to the next thing.
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Post by sddwashington on Mar 30, 2013 12:43:50 GMT 1
Also if petitions/public pressure means nothing, how do you explain the release of file pertaining to UFOs already? You do know that was because of public pressure and interest at the time. In the last two years interest from the public has dwindled. It happens every so often, the public get an interest in something, the government release things to keep them quiet, then the public move on to the next thing. Well I just got back from the American trip and after I get over this Jet Lag issue, I will show you if you know who to talk too in Government you get things done.
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Post by Laurance on Mar 30, 2013 16:08:06 GMT 1
Also if petitions/public pressure means nothing, how do you explain the release of file pertaining to UFOs already? You do know that was because of public pressure and interest at the time. In the last two years interest from the public has dwindled. It happens every so often, the public get an interest in something, the government release things to keep them quiet, then the public move on to the next thing. Well I just got back from the American trip and after I get over this Jet Lag issue, I will show you if you know who to talk too in Government you get things done. It is very true, in this day and age, it is who you know, not what you know.
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Post by sddwashington on Apr 7, 2013 0:08:32 GMT 1
Well Laurance, I am glad that you spoke up. I have been very lucky in my life to know Senators and Congressmen and women from the Congress and House of Representatives and even White House personnel. The FOIA even empowers me more if you know "Who to speak with". It has taken me years and years to work my way into this group and it has really paid off. The trouble is what to write and not write here at UFONR. Life can get hard real quick for even free public information concerning UFO,s and all related issues. So on a one on one relationship I can tell Heaps of information and then on the other hand I can not. Nobody here uses the email address I have given and I can not help that. But you buy the drinks for Government officials and record the whole thing it is worth the 200 to 300 Dollars for 2 hours of effort and you get information whether it is disinformation or not. I will pay the money and stay on the inside.
Does that make sense Laurance?
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Post by Aelius on Apr 7, 2013 7:20:20 GMT 1
Also if petitions/public pressure means nothing, how do you explain the release of file pertaining to UFOs already? You do know that was because of public pressure and interest at the time. In the last two years interest from the public has dwindled. It happens every so often, the public get an interest in something, the government release things to keep them quiet, then the public move on to the next thing. The UK documents really don't hold a candle to what the USA documents could contain. Who's the say they are the true thing? Why are they releasing just a few at a time? Time to hide the truth even further or create a believable fabrication? I always am skeptical of anything a governmental body releases.
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Post by Laurance on Apr 7, 2013 9:47:46 GMT 1
Also if petitions/public pressure means nothing, how do you explain the release of file pertaining to UFOs already? You do know that was because of public pressure and interest at the time. In the last two years interest from the public has dwindled. It happens every so often, the public get an interest in something, the government release things to keep them quiet, then the public move on to the next thing. The UK documents really don't hold a candle to what the USA documents could contain. Who's the say they are the true thing? Why are they releasing just a few at a time? Time to hide the truth even further or create a believable fabrication? I always am skeptical of anything a governmental body releases. Yes, it is a real possibility that the documents contain disinformation. The fact is many agencies twist reports, which then get twisted by another agency, so on and so forth. These Agencies work alone, most people think they work together on some plot to twist the truth, but the fact is they all work behind each others back. People may know of the Spitsbergan UFO crash of 1952, a document released in the 90's (I have since lost said information but will attempt to find it again) showed that it was indeed a CIA invented ploy to test Soviet reactions, they fed it to the Newspaper that then reported it as fact and it spread into UFO folklore. But within many documents there is small kernels of truth and that is why it would be interesting to see these documents. The problem we have today is many are fabricated hoaxes of the public or twisted stories of the intelligence community. How we separate fact from fiction is a long, difficult process.
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Post by Laurance on Apr 7, 2013 9:51:02 GMT 1
Well Laurance, I am glad that you spoke up. I have been very lucky in my life to know Senators and Congressmen and women from the Congress and House of Representatives and even White House personnel. The FOIA even empowers me more if you know "Who to speak with". It has taken me years and years to work my way into this group and it has really paid off. The trouble is what to write and not write here at UFONR. Life can get hard real quick for even free public information concerning UFO,s and all related issues. So on a one on one relationship I can tell Heaps of information and then on the other hand I can not. Nobody here uses the email address I have given and I can not help that. But you buy the drinks for Government officials and record the whole thing it is worth the 200 to 300 Dollars for 2 hours of effort and you get information whether it is disinformation or not. I will pay the money and stay on the inside. Does that make sense Laurance? Email addresses? It does make sense. In todays world it is more of who you know rather than what you know. When Henry Stevens was doing research work on Nazi Submarines captured containing Nuclear Materials he kept turning up blanks because they only search for what you ask for, when in reality they are kept under different names. Same applied for Joseph Farrel when looking for information about Foo Fighters encountered by the USAAF, his requests kept turning up blanks because the records are kept under different names other than Foo Fighters etc.
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Post by uforn on Apr 7, 2013 14:57:01 GMT 1
Well Laurance, I am glad that you spoke up. I have been very lucky in my life to know Senators and Congressmen and women from the Congress and House of Representatives and even White House personnel. The FOIA even empowers me more if you know "Who to speak with". It has taken me years and years to work my way into this group and it has really paid off. The trouble is what to write and not write here at UFONR. Life can get hard real quick for even free public information concerning UFO,s and all related issues. So on a one on one relationship I can tell Heaps of information and then on the other hand I can not. Nobody here uses the email address I have given and I can not help that. But you buy the drinks for Government officials and record the whole thing it is worth the 200 to 300 Dollars for 2 hours of effort and you get information whether it is disinformation or not. I will pay the money and stay on the inside. Does that make sense Laurance? It doesnt make sense to me, Why the hell would you pay for disinformation ? All Governments are corrupt and not one of them can be trusted at all! Especially when it comes to UFO's, you might think your getting inside info but all your getting is a load of rubbbish which then gets spread throughout the whole UFO community. Believe it or not you find out more on UFO forums and the truth than you will ever get from any Government source!
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Post by Aelius on Apr 8, 2013 3:40:44 GMT 1
Well Laurance, I am glad that you spoke up. I have been very lucky in my life to know Senators and Congressmen and women from the Congress and House of Representatives and even White House personnel. The FOIA even empowers me more if you know "Who to speak with". It has taken me years and years to work my way into this group and it has really paid off. The trouble is what to write and not write here at UFONR. Life can get hard real quick for even free public information concerning UFO,s and all related issues. So on a one on one relationship I can tell Heaps of information and then on the other hand I can not. Nobody here uses the email address I have given and I can not help that. But you buy the drinks for Government officials and record the whole thing it is worth the 200 to 300 Dollars for 2 hours of effort and you get information whether it is disinformation or not. I will pay the money and stay on the inside. Does that make sense Laurance? Well, if you want to go that route, then all the power to you. We call you a mole or a person-on-the-inside. They usually kill you when they find you though if you spill the beans. Not to mention they send out certain stories to only certain people to weed out these moles anyways. Very dangerous situation. Doesn't matter who you know because at the end of the day, you're still you and they are still them. I haven't contacted you in quite some time myself because I've been busy. I am not very talkative nor do I wish to discuss personal information with someone I don't know EVEN IF you've told me everything about yourself.
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Post by blu on Apr 8, 2013 14:55:22 GMT 1
you just have to be good at hiding.
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Post by uforn on Apr 8, 2013 15:12:53 GMT 1
you just have to be good at hiding. If they want you there is no-where you can hide.
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Post by Aelius on Apr 9, 2013 10:38:59 GMT 1
No sense hiding under a watchful eye. Too much stress.
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