hiflier
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Post by hiflier on Jul 2, 2015 22:21:09 GMT 1
Hello All,
This is a thread to discuss a document concerning a disclosure film that was planned but so far hasn't seen the light of day. It was the brainchild of a rather strange character, the late Gordon Novel, who had an even stranger history wrapped up in the CIA, the JFK assassination story, and numerous other operations and programs both official and personal. One of those programs, personal or not, was to create this film about the exposure of technology supposedly kept from the public concerning Zero Point (free) Energy or ZPE. The energy technology was a by product of what scientifically is known as Electrogravitics via the implementing of what was termed an Electrogravitic Vortex Circuit. The film was meant to be shown to the public world-wide to blow the cover of the claimed efforts at keeping it under wraps by the global energy consortiums and in doing so release the technology to the world.
Dr. Steven Greer's current Sirius Disclosure Project is aimed at doing the same thing and the history of both Dr. Greer and Gordon Novel's was intertwined for the same reasons- disclosing the free energy technology to the public at large. The document to promote the film was initiated and written Mr. Novel with some parts written with the help Of Richard M. Dolan and another UFO author, a Mr. Jim Marrs. This thread will be going down a very deep rabbit hole as it takes a look at the who's who, who knows who, who works or worked with who, and generally tease to the surface the current state of disclosure. More importantly though it will be a look at what this document actually was, who it was drafted for, and where it stands today.
There are some interesting things written in the document that need to be dissected individually and investigated for truth which may take some good investigative and analytical skills to work through. It's all intriguing and will allow a good look at the world of mirrors within such programs. There is no doubt that things have changed rather drastically in the last three years when it comes to acquiring information through what seems to be new layers of disinformation that seems to include many at the top of Ufology today. Authors, those on the UFO circuit, the conferences, the ones who speak, and are chosen to speak, at those conferences, MUFON, and so much else, are involved in what I see it as a movement to squash Ufology as the subject it has historically has been known to be.
This discussion is long, long overdue and because it hasn't been widely addressed those that believe in Alien presence are being systematically led so far away from the truth that if something isn't done soon the truth could essentially be buried forever and replaced with total fantasy and mythology. It's hard to believe this little document, or the reason behind it's existence, would be all that important.......but it is. The document is 78 pages long and is NOT a classified document so don't let the cover page fool you. It design was a pitch for the film. The pitch was to be directed at President Obama and Steven Spielberg, the movie director. It's only a presentation to describe the purpose of making the film- and nothing more.........FOUR YEARS AGO:
It's in a .pdf format: Click on the link, hit save, and open it to read: scholar.google.com/scholar_url?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.qoogles.com%2Ffiles%2FOld-Gordon%2FPOTUS_MASTER_12-12-09_1_.docAlien_Terminator.doc&hl=en&sa=T&oi=ggp&ct=res&cd=0&ei=J_qLVc-yFIeX0QGp35vgAw&scisig=AAGBfm29GTswFx0CGgty-pFVtnEgYh7Ktg&nossl=1&ws=1157x673
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hiflier
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Post by hiflier on Jul 3, 2015 1:08:50 GMT 1
Hello All,
Those of you who have downloaded the document will see that on the surface it looks pretty official, and that the copyright for the document was back in 2009- six years ago. It was meant to look that way for the presentation. Some of you may have also recognize some of the people listed on what is called the RAM Gravitics Team. People like David Froning, Dr. John Alexander, Alan Holt, Stanton Freedman, and others more on the movie's production side like Gordon Novel himself and Dr. Steven Greer. Like I said before, Greer and Novel had the same goal- technology disclosure of Zero-Point Enenrgy. I've studied this document quite a bit and have even emailed some of the principles involved but even still, upon first or second reading, things get missed.
One of those things was a small statement in Mr. Novel's text starting at the bottom of page 26 and continuing at the top of page 27. It reads:
"The RAM Project has agreed to cooperate with producers of POTUS Briefing -- Eyes Only and demonstrate a prototype model of an Electro-dynamic Vortex Circuit (EVC)-powered widget (the RAM R-XT-1) to be included in the documentary film. The RAM R-XT-1, a remote controlled prototype that is the world’s first self-contained electrogravitically propelled craft, able to maneuver in all three axes with no moving thrusters, has already been built and tested."
I'm going to let that sink in a bit before commenting further because anyone familiar at all with Thomas Townsend Brown's work should be sitting up and taking notice of what that quote is actually saying. Anyone familiar with ionocraft and ion drives will immediately see the implications stated in that piece as well. For one thing Electrogravitics is not ion drive but in reading the quote a second time the light should be going on full blast.
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hiflier
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Post by hiflier on Jul 3, 2015 3:03:27 GMT 1
Hello All,
Now in all honesty no one should just blindly side with this document as being truthful. So then what? Hoax? No hoax? How does one tell? What would it mean if it was a hoax? What would it mean if it wasn't? Was it only a for-profit endeavor or is the intent altruistic even though money is projected to be made? Who would get the money after film expenses are paid?
Has anyone run across any of the production team or the RAM Gravitics Team saying anything in the past 6 years to push this? Or that they were going to be involved? Has Dr. Steven Greer, other that his own Sirius Disclosure Project, ever mentioned this ambitious film? Has Statnon Friedman? Dr. John Alexander? Richard Dolan? He wrote part of it after all. These people and many others have their names attached to this but I don't remember seeing anything come out of anyone of them about it. Did the proposed film project have it's own non-disclosure agreement? Did it then expire upon Mr. Gordon's passing back in October of 2012? He was 76 years old.
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hiflier
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Post by hiflier on Jul 3, 2015 13:46:34 GMT 1
Hello All,
Now begins the process of fixing Ufology's woes. Decades of charlatanism, lies, and deceit are going to crumble. The document I linked in the OP is the key to it all. ALL of it. The people in the document are in a no-win situation and I'll tell you why. Gordon Novel had written that the "RAM Project" which is the group of scientists working on the RAM Electrogravitic Vortex Circuit (EVC) device HAD AGREED TO COOPERATE with the producers of the film and DEMONSTRATE a working prototype of that EVC device.
It went on to say that the device was...are you ready for this?.......was SELF CONTAINED. The reason I'm emphasizing that is that up to that point no one had succeeded in getting a device to fly WITH THE POWER SOURCE ON BOARD. Any one familiar with Thomas Townsend Brown's work would know that all of his devices demonstrating electrgravitics had the power source sitting on a table somewhere- because there was never enough lift to carry the extra weight. This document states that the RAM Project science team had succeeded where others before them had failed.
For Gordon Novel to write this into this document was either a huge lie or a huge truth! And here 's where the whole thing starts to fall apart for these folks. EVERYONE had a copy of this document and so KNEW what was in it. Everyone knew that there was this section stating that there was an agreement to demonstrate this device. OK. So then it must be a hoax right? Well, what if it is? Think about that for a second or two. What is it really saying then if it's a hoax? It's saying that Stanton Friedman, Richard M. Dolan, Dr. Steven Greer, Jim Marrs, and any other high profile Ufologist or UFO author listed in that document WERE PART OF THAT HOAX?!
I hope everyone can now see just how critical and unbelievably important this document really is. Let's take this a step further. If it isn't a hoax then all of the scientists and Ufologists listed in the document KNOWS that such a device exists because there was an agreement to demonstrate it. Don't forget that some of the other principles in the document include Dr. Bruce Maccabee- a well respected physicist in the UFO world and beyond- as in briefing the CIA on UFO's, and Dr. John Alexander (ex NIDS). I'll repeat the quote from the document:
"The RAM Project has agreed to cooperate with producers of POTUS Briefing -- Eyes Only and demonstrate a prototype model of an Electro-dynamic Vortex Circuit (EVC)-powered widget (the RAM R-XT-1) to be included in the documentary film.
The RAM R-XT-1, a remote controlled prototype that is the world’s first self-contained electrogravitically propelled craft, able to maneuver in all three axes with no moving thrusters, has already been built and tested."
Everyone in the document knew about this. Some of the most respected people in Ufology. The same people that go and speak at all the UFO conferences. The same ones that write and sell their books- many of which are written about the cover-up of such technology. And yet I've not heard one of them ever mention the RAM Gravitics Project or the making of this movie or pitching it to the President or Steven Spielberg or even mentioning Gordon Novel. And yet all of them were on board for this amazing attempt to produce this disclosure film.
So who is fooling who here? All of them are to be held accountable either in a hoax or a cover-up and you know me.....I won't stop until the record is set straight. For all the grief and sometimes anger that the believing community has been put through these folks owe everyone either an apology for being a part of an elaborate program of deception or for not getting on these Forums and talking about this document and what it truly signifies and why they haven't taken the ball and kept the project alive after Gordon Novel passed away--- less than three years ago.
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hiflier
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Post by hiflier on Jul 4, 2015 15:27:12 GMT 1
Hello All, Thought I'd post a video interview of Gordon Novel actually holding and discussing this document. The interview is over a half hour long but the document discussion begins at around 27 minutes: www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbKaWuwDkuk
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Post by uforn on Jul 10, 2015 20:52:06 GMT 1
Hi hiflier sorry Ive not posted sooner I know your waiting on me to reply. There's a hell of a lot of research to be done here so this is just a quick post for now.
I thought I would share with you another two Document's relating to Gordon Novel that I have been able to obtain from one of the Uk's leading UFO Researchers Isaac Koi. Isaac kindly posted them to this link for me. They are in PDF format, one of them is a 330 page Document titled "SUPREME COSMIC SECRET : How the U.S. Government Reverse-Engineered An Extraterrestrial Spacecraft" the other is a 154 page Document titled Gordon Novel "Security File". There is also the Potus Briefing Document but you already have that.
This should keep you going for a bit
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Post by hiflier on Jul 11, 2015 15:45:50 GMT 1
Hello uforn, Yessir! That will definitely keep me busy. I had actually looked and looked for the Supreme Cosmic Secret document but was unable to find it. I don't why that was either. I tried every avenue. Please thank Isaac for me the next time you're in touch with him. I'll look over these items and you as a seasoned researcher will understand that sometimes during such readings other clues crop up. I'll be looking closely for those. This article is interesting in the meantime. It concerns a dinner meeting of some of the key players. It's long but has several follow up posts that may help fill in some backstory. Kind of interesting. I haven't been able to quite determine how Dan Smith, Ron Pandolfi's "friend", fit's into the picture other than as a smoke screen for plausible deniability: www.realityuncovered.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1579It may keep yu going for a bit as well
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