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Post by uforn on May 24, 2010 14:41:27 GMT 1
There are people out there who claim to have been abducted by aliens. They describe these aliens as short with a frail body, big head, large black eyes, gray skin necked and with no visible genitalia. They say these aliens experiment on them and even molest them for purposes of creating hybrids. Most people who claim to have been abducted sincerely believe what they are saying but beyond the story’s, there is no evidence for it and when you really think about it, there are logical problems with the story’s. First off, the aliens them self’s; large head and week body are indicative of a low gravity, in fact such body’s could not survive in earths gravity, they would not have enough mussels in there necks to support there heads and there body (though they could survive for a short time) would be too frail to survive in earths gravity. And there body’s don’t make sense, they have large eyes indicative of a low light environment but a low light environment would be cold and they lack the fer and blubber that a creature that evolved in a cold environment would have. And then there’s the problem that there humanoid. We evolved our body structure cause of the body structures of our ancestors and the conditions that drove there evolution. Given all the possible environments and body structures the chances that another humanoid species would evolve are slim. Another problem is physics. The speed of light is only 299,792,458 metres per second (186,282.397 miles per second) and the closes star is 4 light years away. You can’t go faster than light, its not a matter of “we don’t know how” its a impossibility. Yes there are hypothesise on how to get around the speed of light problem, you could make a worm whole but unlike what science fiction tell you, a worm would be 2 connected black wholes. And there the Alcubierre drive (warp drive) but that would have allot of problems and require the energy of 5 suns. Any aliens visiting earth would be limited by the speed of light. Sure they could get here at speeds less then the speed of light hell if they traveled at near the speed of light the time dilation would mean it would be months to days to even minuets for them to get here (in there perspective, in the rest of the universe years would have passed) but that would have required allot of energy to accelerating to those speeds and decelerate from them and you would have to add in the time needed to accelerate and decelerate. And why would they come all that way just to experiment on us? Historically, there have been story’s of monsters that molest people at night, like story’s of incubuses and succubus’s and even story’s of people being kidnapped in there sleep at night and takes to some place and then brought back to there bed. People use to believe those things happened to them. Couldn’t these gray aliens are just our modern demons? During the 80’s there was allot of fear of “Satanic ritual abuse”, there where many who claims to have been abused in satanic rituals and believed they where had even had memory’s of the abuse but the investigations into the abuse found nothing, no evidence of these “satanic” groups, and evidence of the abuse. On top of that most of the people who call them self’s “satanists” don’t believe in God or the devil (they use Satan as a symbol of rebellion) and those who do believe in the supernatural bing called Satan, its not the Christan Satan. And none of them practice the rituals that where alleged to have taken place. There there are things we know that shed allot of doubt on alien abduction. Sleep paralysis is a condition that some people have, people with sleep paralysis sometimes when they wake up they don’t wake up completely, they are still partly asleep and dreaming. When people dream there body temporally paralyses it self so people don’t act out there dreams, so when they wake up and are still dreaming they can’t move. And then they see things that are not there cause there still dreaming. People who believe them self’s to have been abducted by aliens often “uncover” these memory’s in hypnoses. People use to think hypnoses was some magical window into the mind, well its not. Hypnoses has been known to and can easy create false memory’s, the person doing the hypnoses can easy influence the patent into forming false memory even when they do not realise they are doing it (they could think there doing everything right but are in fact influencing there patent into forming false memory’s). And the patents own preconceptions can form false memory’s under hypnoses, for insistence a person believes that he has been abducted by aliens goes to be hypnotised to uncover these memory’s, the memory don’t exist but his belief and state of hypnoses form these false memory’s. When dealing with alien abduction we should use Occam Razor (one should not increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything), there is a simple explanation for the phenomenon. Sleep paralysis, hypnoses or a combination of the 2 explains it perfectly and with out the improbability’s of improbable aliens (there body structure, not the existence of extraterrestrial life)) visiting earth. wolfsden.wordpress.com/2008/0...ien-abduction/
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Post by ufochick on May 25, 2010 7:45:14 GMT 1
Sleep paralysis is used in many cases where something far more devious is actually happening. When the brain enters a part of a sleep cycle the body secretes a chemical which in effect "freezes" us so our bodies do not act out our dreams physically. However there is no proof that this explains the things people see while awake but still frozen.
IF other signs are occuring then the problem may be induced sleep paralysis. Covers moving, a vibration felt by the person in the bed or their body, a feeling of bugs on the body, tickling of the nose, seeing, hearing, feeling, tasting or feeling things during the part of paralysis when one is awake are indicators that something more is going on. Thousands of people have reported seeing Beings or experiencing the above while mentally awake but experiencing the paralysis.
Most of the problem stems from our own programming since birth that other dimensions and all that accompanies them is not real so much be an illusion. But when the paralysis is accompanied by other indications if interdimensional interaction the key is to trust yourself.
People instinctively know when they are awake. One is either wake or not. IF you are awake and experience any of the signs the next step is to obtain a blacklight. A regular black lightbulb will not work. A flourescent black light the type that teenagers use over posters is the best and cheapest choice.
Check upon waking with the light in a dark room. Check the room and surrounding areas such as doors, doorframes and windows when you first get the light. That will let you know what if any stains are already there and allow you to identify any new ones.
Check your body carefully including ears bottoms of feet and the inside of your mouth and insie your nose, be sure and remember your private areas, do this when you first wake. Look for bright blue markings, greenish markings and a sickly yellow green color. The side of hips, finger marks on legs and white or red areas framing the nose are common signs. The Beings seem to leave the marks when we are turned or carried. Sometimes once the Beings become aware you are checking for markings they will take great care not to leave any additional ones.
They markings can be photgraphed with a camera with the lights off and the flash off. These markings will not usually show up in normal light. They will not wipe off easily they will wear off in a few days or can be scrubbed off if the top layer of skin is removed and the skin is dry. There are only a few things I have found that will test positive for these markings. Sunscreen, some soaps in the sink and shower area & aspercream will show. Semen and other natural secretions will not normally show unless there has been work done to the person. There may also be places of dark red that only show under black light, these show usually on clothing and bedding. The last common error is that one will see the Beings responsible. They can access us without us seeing or being aware of their actual presence. The only clues are the ones left behind. Scientists do not want people to become aware of another possibility for sleep paralysis, to announce what may really be happening would be terrifying to the general public. But if you are experiencing this do the work and find out what is happening.
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Post by ronologic on Aug 28, 2011 18:15:24 GMT 1
Here is my latest sleep paralysis story. This morning at 3:00; feelings of being watched then strong feelings of anxiety while feeling as if I was being pulled towards a window I always keep open during hot weather. I yelled out "NO" and was able to finally become animated. I ascribed this anxiety filled episode to the personal trials in which I am currently involved. No ET involvement, I believe.
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Post by ronologic on Aug 28, 2011 23:23:41 GMT 1
Never use the word"Impossible" in a science related issue. "Highly improbable", Highly Impractible", "If my grandmother had wings she could fly"...let's strike that last one. In my short tenure in the cosmos I have born witness to quite a large number of "Imopssiples" become FACT!!
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Post by ronologic on Aug 28, 2011 23:25:36 GMT 1
HEY!! I just hit 100 Posts!! Actually 101 with this. Hmmm. Time for a celibration! Drinks all around for all!!
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Post by uforn on Aug 29, 2011 0:11:23 GMT 1
HEY!! I just hit 100 Posts!! Actually 101 with this. Hmmm. Time for a celibration! Drinks all around for all!! Congrats ron Ill have a drink with ya
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Post by nikkinebula on Sept 16, 2011 7:39:08 GMT 1
I used to honestly think I was being abducted by aliens. I have suffered from sleep paralysis for more than 20 years...I am 26 years old. The most recent happened today while taking a nap. I have had sensations of flying, sensations of leaving my body and seeing myself from above, seeing my parents sleeping in their bed from above, I have seen embryo like figures in amniotic sacs floating above my head, beings at the end of my bed, I have seen colors and geometric shapes, experienced high pitched pulsating sounds, felt like my spine is being ripped out, like there is electricity flowing through me, you name it...if it is weird and F***ed up...I have experienced it...BUT I don't believe it is supernatural in nature. For my own sanity I feel that there has to be another explanation for it.
I have seen what I perceived to be a UFO, I was 11 and I remember it like yesterday, my sister was 8 and she remembers it as well. We were driving to my grandparents house for Easter, this occurred in the somewhere in the desert between Riverside, Ca and Phoenix, Arizona. It was quite large, hovering JUST BARELY about the Joshua trees. It followed out car for at least 15 minutes, gradually disapparating and reappearing.... I can't really put it into words. It was oblong in shape, approx. the size of a standard bus. It was gun metal in color, with blue lights that seemed to blink in a sequence. I cannot stress how obvious it was, absolutely impossible to ignore, my parents were looking RIGHT at it and COULD NOT SEE IT. I have never ever written this account down, I have only spoken about it with a handful of close friends. I don't know how to explain how me and my sister, although we were young, could see it plain as day and my parents could not.
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Post by spooky on Feb 14, 2012 18:54:00 GMT 1
You are so very wrong! They are real, and they are active on this earth of ours. They float across the floor and can go through windows and walls. That is a fact. You are so very wrong!
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Post by ronologic on Feb 14, 2012 20:01:26 GMT 1
You are so very wrong! They are real, and they are active on this earth of ours. They float across the floor and can go through windows and walls. That is a fact. You are so very wrong! spooky, When answering a post, please include the ID of the person. If you have information to support you claim that "You are so very wrong!", please include your source of information in your post, such as an URL so that others my read what you are claiming to be fact. Thank you.
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Post by spooky on Feb 14, 2012 23:19:20 GMT 1
Dear uforn, Sleep Paralysis is not what I had when I had a visit...thank you! Some people have told me that It was just a bad dream, or I was on some bad meds. I KNOW WHAT I SAW WAS REAL!!! Please stop trying to come up with anwsers to fit your needs. I'll take any lie detector test you can provide, and toe to toe with any other person to show who is the nut case. Stop with the reasons why it can not be real. I'm too old to play with fools! I understand that Sleep Paralysis will cause people to have false dreams. There are people that get their shits and giggles by telling false stories. There are others like yourself that may never understand what is real and what is not. I don't care anymore to exchange information with fools!
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Post by ronologic on Feb 15, 2012 0:08:18 GMT 1
Dear uforn, Sleep Paralysis is not what I had when I had a visit...thank you! Some people have told me that It was just a bad dream, or I was on some bad meds. I KNOW WHAT I SAW WAS REAL!!! Please stop trying to come up with anwsers to fit your needs. I'll take any lie detector test you can provide, and toe to toe with any other person to show who is the nut case. Stop with the reasons why it can not be real. I'm too old to play with fools! I understand that Sleep Paralysis will cause people to have false dreams. There are people that get their shits and giggles by telling false stories. There are others like yourself that may never understand what is real and what is not. I don't care anymore to exchange information with fools! spooky, I would like to read about your experience(s) starting from when you first realized what was happening to the end and if you were able to stay awake after "They" were no longer with you.
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Post by uforn on Feb 15, 2012 1:22:20 GMT 1
Dear uforn, Sleep Paralysis is not what I had when I had a visit...thank you! Some people have told me that It was just a bad dream, or I was on some bad meds. I KNOW WHAT I SAW WAS REAL!!! Please stop trying to come up with anwsers to fit your needs. I'll take any lie detector test you can provide, and toe to toe with any other person to show who is the nut case. Stop with the reasons why it can not be real. I'm too old to play with fools! I understand that Sleep Paralysis will cause people to have false dreams. There are people that get their shits and giggles by telling false stories. There are others like yourself that may never understand what is real and what is not. I don't care anymore to exchange information with fools! Im sorry spooky have we spoke before ? As I really cant remember having a conversation with you about your experiance, care to tell me what you refer to ? Thanks
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Post by spooky on Feb 15, 2012 17:18:52 GMT 1
ronigical, Be careful what you wish for... Thouhgts are very powerful tools. Hope you have a strong as well as a pure heart. Many folks on this site say they want to know if aliens are real. The same people, when told the truth tend to reject and make fun of others that try to share what they know... NOT a Good thing to do! Time is growing short...Take the Blue pill and have a good nights sleep.
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Post by ronologic on Feb 15, 2012 17:28:56 GMT 1
ronigical, Be careful what you wish for... Thouhgts are very powerful tools. Hope you have a strong as well as a pure heart. Many folks on this site say they want to know if aliens are real. The same people, when told the truth tend to reject and make fun of others that try to share what they know... NOT a Good thing to do! Time is growing short...Take the Blue pill and have a good nights sleep. spooky, I'm not here "to reject and make fun of others that try to share what they know...!" I am here on a quest for answers.
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Post by uforn on Feb 15, 2012 17:35:19 GMT 1
ronigical, Be careful what you wish for... Thouhgts are very powerful tools. Hope you have a strong as well as a pure heart. Many folks on this site say they want to know if aliens are real. The same people, when told the truth tend to reject and make fun of others that try to share what they know... NOT a Good thing to do! Time is growing short...Take the Blue pill and have a good nights sleep. spooky, I'm not here "to reject and make fun of others that try to share what they know...!" I am here on a quest for answers. Ill second that, please show us where someone has been made fun of on this forum
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Post by spooky on Feb 15, 2012 20:05:08 GMT 1
On the open minds forum I have had someone offensively challenge the report shared with that group. The issue of abduction is very hard to talk about. Stop trying to reason away what you are being told by abductees. They can get very pissed off! The trauma that they went though should be given some degree of empathy. I am not accusing anyone here on this web site, but this site, if it is to survive, should stand up for the fragile nature of the people that want to inform others. Spooky
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Post by uforn on Feb 15, 2012 20:36:58 GMT 1
On the open minds forum I have had someone offensively challenge the report shared with that group. The issue of abduction is very hard to talk about. Stop trying to reason away what you are being told by abductees. They can get very pissed off! The trauma that they went though should be given some degree of empathy. I am not accusing anyone here on this web site, but this site, if it is to survive, should stand up for the fragile nature of the people that want to inform others. Spooky This is "not" the Openminds forum spooky, Im sorry youve had a bad experiance from someone over there, Ive helped a few members that have come to me about abductions, its a very sensitive area and should be looked at without ridicule. I know its hard for abductees to talk about there experiances incase of ridicule unfortunately there are some people just out to dissprove everything the see and read on the subject. Welcome to UFORN btw
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Post by ronologic on Feb 15, 2012 22:54:19 GMT 1
On the open minds forum I have had someone offensively challenge the report shared with that group. The issue of abduction is very hard to talk about. Stop trying to reason away what you are being told by abductees. They can get very pissed off! The trauma that they went though should be given some degree of empathy. I am not accusing anyone here on this web site, but this site, if it is to survive, should stand up for the fragile nature of the people that want to inform others. Spooky This is "not" the Openminds forum spooky, Im sorry youve had a bad experiance from someone over there, Ive helped a few members that have come to me about abductions, its a very sensitive area and should be looked at without ridicule. I know its hard for abductees to talk about there experiances incase of ridicule unfortunately there are some people just out to dissprove everything the see and read on the subject. Welcome to UFORN btw spooky, Anyone that comes on this site and ridicules what another has posted will be delt with as soon as either uforn or I read it. The "R" in UFORN stands for "Research", not ridicule. uforn, I hope you do not mind me writing on your behalf, but I am quite certian in this instance you feel as I do on the subject.
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Post by spooky on Feb 16, 2012 4:02:51 GMT 1
Thanks for your kind words and offer to help, but it is not I that needs help.
As for the reason most real abductees wish to remain private, they read comments from others that tend to question them as being less than truthful, sane, sober, or maybe just drugged.
It is very easy to not believe such a strange story. I understand that most folks here want to know more about the possibility that aliens may be active on this planet.
I think they should be told the truth. So far the only reason not to tell the public is the need for national security. I am worried more about world security!
Aliens have been a great help to me all my life. I would like to find others that have been helped by aliens.
They may be able to see your innermost thoughts and chose to help some and hurt others. Don’t know for sure, but it’s just a wild ass guess.
Try to keep an open mind and a pure heart and maybe they will help you too. What happen to ronigical's email... ? thought you would be more open to info We only hide from ourselves...
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Post by ronologic on Feb 16, 2012 4:56:54 GMT 1
Thanks for your kind words and offer to help, but it is not I that needs help. As for the reason most real abductees wish to remain private, they read comments from others that tend to question them as being less than truthful, sane, sober, or maybe just drugged. It is very easy to not believe such a strange story. I understand that most folks here want to know more about the possibility that aliens may be active on this planet. I think they should be told the truth. So far the only reason not to tell the public is the need for national security. I am worried more about world security! Aliens have been a great help to me all my life. I would like to find others that have been helped by aliens. They may be able to see your innermost thoughts and chose to help some and hurt others. Don’t know for sure, but it’s just a wild ass guess. Try to keep an open mind and a pure heart and maybe they will help you too. What happen to ronigical's email... ? thought you would be more open to info We only hide from ourselves... What email?
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Post by ronologic on Feb 16, 2012 4:58:03 GMT 1
Thanks for your kind words and offer to help, but it is not I that needs help. As for the reason most real abductees wish to remain private, they read comments from others that tend to question them as being less than truthful, sane, sober, or maybe just drugged. It is very easy to not believe such a strange story. I understand that most folks here want to know more about the possibility that aliens may be active on this planet. I think they should be told the truth. So far the only reason not to tell the public is the need for national security. I am worried more about world security! Aliens have been a great help to me all my life. I would like to find others that have been helped by aliens. They may be able to see your innermost thoughts and chose to help some and hurt others. Don’t know for sure, but it’s just a wild ass guess. Try to keep an open mind and a pure heart and maybe they will help you too. What happen to ronigical's email... ? thought you would be more open to info We only hide from ourselves... What email? You can also pm me as well.
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Post by uforn on Feb 16, 2012 14:45:13 GMT 1
Spooky ron's email addy is hidden as it is his own personal email. Ron has full access to the forum email addy uforesearchnetwork@live.co.uk and can be contacted there or in a private message on the forum
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Post by belle on Jul 21, 2012 20:23:03 GMT 1
To my knowledge I have never been abducted. I have expierenced sleep paralysis since i was little. It causes extreme anxioty. I am 100% wide awake. I figured being married would stop it since there would be someone else in the bed.
During these 'episodes' I can barely move my head just not the rest of my body. I will scream and scream for my husband but all that comes out is a quiet whisper and I end up with a sore throat from yelling.
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Post by ronologic on Jul 30, 2012 19:32:46 GMT 1
To my knowledge I have never been abducted. I have expierenced sleep paralysis since i was little. It causes extreme anxioty. I am 100% wide awake. I figured being married would stop it since there would be someone else in the bed. During these 'episodes' I can barely move my head just not the rest of my body. I will scream and scream for my husband but all that comes out is a quiet whisper and I end up with a sore throat from yelling. belle, Maybe focusing on the knowedge that you know you are experiencing sleep paralysis and that you are safe in your bed might bring some calming comfort to you.
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Post by belle on Jul 30, 2012 20:42:52 GMT 1
To my knowledge I have never been abducted. I have expierenced sleep paralysis since i was little. It causes extreme anxioty. I am 100% wide awake. I figured being married would stop it since there would be someone else in the bed. During these 'episodes' I can barely move my head just not the rest of my body. I will scream and scream for my husband but all that comes out is a quiet whisper and I end up with a sore throat from yelling. belle, Maybe focusing on the knowedge that you know you are experiencing sleep paralysis and that you are safe in your bed might bring some calming comfort to you. Thank you ! Thankfully it doesn't happen that often. When it does, I do deep breathing and counting. It is just a weird event.
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Post by alien8 on Sept 20, 2012 7:26:25 GMT 1
These are my experiences of SP that I'd like to share here. I am like Belle, in respect that I also do not believe I was abducted either - nor do I think that my SP experiences were UFO/Alien related. But they sure were strange..... The first incident took place in 1991 - I was with two other good friends & we were spending a long week-end camping out in an old miner's cottage that one of my friend's parents bought and had relocated to a beachside village not too far from Townsville. We had to use a generator for power & the water supply was dodgy to say the least. Anyway, early evening we're sitting around the table discussing life, love, sex, politics - you name it. We were also enjoying a few drinks, although none of us were drunk though & around 10pm we decided to call the day quits. I was laying on the bunk bead about 4 meters from the other beds & it was absolute pitch black. I had literally only been laying there about 4 or 5 minutes, with my eyes open & still very much awake when I heard what I thought was something heavy being dragged across the timber floor. The floor being sandy from us trailing it in from the beach during the day amplified the scrape, stop, scrape, stop noise even more. I was just about to open my mouth & ask the others if they could hear that noise ( I' m thinking: how could they not?), when I was suddenly paralyzed & unable to speak or move except for my eyes. There felt to be an enormous "crushing" sensation all over my body, particularly my chest. It was absolutely terrifying......was the old miner's ghost pissed off at us for intruding? Was I having a lucid hallucination? Why weren't the other people with me mere meters away aware of the noise? As terrified as I was, I also remember being angry at whoever/whatever was causing this predicament I was in. The only thing I could do was use my mind & I told "it"in no uncertain terms to GET THE HELL OFF ME & LEAVE ME ALONE! I just kept repeating this mantra over & over in my mind & after maybe a few minutes, I felt the weight ease off & was able to move again. As a result, I didn't really get back to sleep properly again that night & could not stop thinking about it. The next morning I asked the others if they heard the scraping/dragging sound just after we went to bed & they both looked at me blankly & said no. But one of my friends then told me that her parents thought that the cottage was possibly haunted. Great.....but I have never had that type of experience happen since ( thank God) & I personally would not wish it on anyone.
The second incident - I have to say, that if this was a SP experience, then it was one of the most pleasant experiences I have ever had. This took place around 5 years ago. I think I had been asleep but was woken up by something - to this day I have no recollection of what it was. The digital clock by the bed said 2.39am & I had just rolled onto my back again to try to go back to sleep when I felt "pole axed" by a vibration that started in my forehead & flowed through my body to my feet - over & over. I remember feeling at such peace, so calm it was wonderful. This sensation lasted a couple of minutes & after it left & I was able to move again, all I wanted was for it to come back!
I have not had any other similar types of experiences since.
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Post by uforn on Sept 20, 2012 17:57:16 GMT 1
Thanks for sharing your experiance with us alien8, Ive not had anything like that happen to me well not that I can remember anyway.
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Post by alien8 on Sept 20, 2012 19:33:01 GMT 1
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Post by ronologic on Sept 20, 2012 23:02:56 GMT 1
alein8, I've never heard any sounds whenever it happened to me, come to think of it. Next time i will listen for anything.
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Post by alien8 on Sept 20, 2012 23:09:17 GMT 1
Hi Ron, from what I have discovered through info garnered on the Web & books on the subject, not everyone experiences sounds. My second experience of SP had no sounds or "visions" so it seems that even though the majority of people experience the immobility, inability to speak, the crushing sensations etc, not everyone sees or hears things with their experience. I honestly do not know why this is but I've been intrigued enough to keep researching on it.
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