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Post by uforn on Sept 4, 2012 13:44:24 GMT 1
Hypothetical Origin of the Unidentified "Phoenix Boomerang" Craft TR6 "TELOS" Hypothetical Origin of the "Phoenix Boomerang" Craft One possible configuration of the huge "boomerang" shaped craft seen by hundreds of people in multiple states over the past decade. The TR6 “TELOS” is designed for use as a transatmospheric, low observable reconnaissance platform with global reach and a long loiter time over target. Employing active electromagnetic, electronic and visual camouflage it is able to penetrate all currently known defensive systems from transorbital height. The TR6 utilizes five electrogravitic generators for propulsion and is considered a “VTOL” craft not needing a runway. The landing gear is strictly for maneuvering while on the ground. The wings fold for hangar stowage. Currently there are only a handful of hangars in the world that can accept the TR6, with most of them in the US. The entire airframe acts as a multi-band communications relay capable of directly interfacing with all current US military satellite networks. The skin employs active visual camouflage using a ‘starfield’ lighting pattern along with other active stealth techniques. The TELOS platform is also capable of operating in space as well as docking with military space stations via a ventral docking hatch. Source: theobjectreport.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/hypothetical-origin-of-phoenix.html
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Post by ronologic on Sept 18, 2012 17:33:53 GMT 1
According to the numerous witnesses to the Phoenix Lights Shighting, the vehicle was about 1 mile wide. I went to the site listed and the TR6 is 519'. Too small for the Phoenix Sighting.
The article also states that " The skin employs active visual camouflage using a ‘starfield’ lighting pattern along with other active stealth techniques." Probably inactivated the night of the Phoenix Sighting.
Too much here doesn't add up to be what was witnessed that night in Phoenix.
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Post by uforn on Sept 18, 2012 18:03:42 GMT 1
yeah thats one of the issues I have with this too mate
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Post by meldrew on Sept 19, 2012 20:12:16 GMT 1
my first thought about the phoenix lights was that there were quite a few aircraft spread over a mile, in a formation at night. but there have been other report/s of mile wide UFOs, in daylight ?
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Post by ronologic on Sept 19, 2012 22:31:02 GMT 1
meldrew, The following report is of a day light sighting of a mile wide UFO. _______________________________________________________________________________ Possible 'Mile-Wide UFO' Spotted by British Airline Pilot Published June 25, 2007 FoxNews.com What's white, glows, is a mile wide and flies? That's what the pilot and passengers of a British jetliner want to know after they reportedseeing an unidentified flying object fitting that description outside their aircraft windows over the Channel Islands. The craft is allegedly one of the largest UFOs ever seen, the Evening Standard reported Friday. • Click here to read the Evening Standard story, Citing an official air-miss report on the incident several weeks ago in Pilot magazine, the newspaper stated that Aurigny Airlines Capt. Ray Bowyer first caught sight of the object while flying close to Alderney , one of several islands in the English Channel located off the Normandy coast. Bowyer described the object as “a cigar-shaped brilliant white light.” "It was a very sharp, thin yellow object with a green area," Bowyer, 50, told the Evening Standard, noting that he used a pair of binoculars to view the flying craft more closely. "It was 2,000 feet up and stationary. I thought it was about 10 miles away, although I later realized it was approximately 40 miles from us. "At first, I thought it was the size of a [Boeing] 737, but it must have been much bigger because of how far away it was. It could have been as much as a mile wide." • Click here to visit FOXNews.com's Space Center. Bowyer told the magazine that he then spotted a "second identical object further to the west," stating that it was the same size but appeared smaller because it was farther away from the plane than the first craft was. Some passengers and an unnamed pilot with the Blue Islands airline later confirmed the sighting, the Evening Standard reported. The Civil Aviation Authority safety notice stated that another aircraft, a Tri-Lander, flying nearby Alderney also spotted the soaring object. Read more: www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,286176,00.html#ixzz26x9vQLum Source:http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,286176,00.html
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Post by meldrew on Sept 20, 2012 6:38:56 GMT 1
there was a 10 year gap between these two cases, there is no point of reference on the op to what this boomerang craft is the origin of, we presume the author means the phoenix lights, but with no date of incident or case name mentioned are we jumping the gun ? unless the phoenix lights case is also known as the phoenix boomerang ?
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Post by ronologic on Sept 20, 2012 16:50:47 GMT 1
I looked up "phoenix boomerang" and found the article at the start of this thread, so this leads me to think that the "phoenix boomerang" and the "Phoenix Lights" are not synonymous.
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Post by uforn on Sept 20, 2012 16:54:48 GMT 1
there was a 10 year gap between these two cases, there is no point of reference on the op to what this boomerang craft is the origin of, we presume the author means the phoenix lights, but with no date of incident or case name mentioned are we jumping the gun ? unless the phoenix lights case is also known as the phoenix boomerang ? The phoenix lights refer to the footage over the mountain range, the phoenix boomerang refers to the witness statements in which it was described as a boomerang shape
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Post by meldrew on Sept 20, 2012 17:00:06 GMT 1
there was a 10 year gap between these two cases, there is no point of reference on the op to what this boomerang craft is the origin of, we presume the author means the phoenix lights, but with no date of incident or case name mentioned are we jumping the gun ? unless the phoenix lights case is also known as the phoenix boomerang ? The phoenix lights refer to the footage over the mountain range, the phoenix boomerang refers to the witness statements in which it was described as a boomerang shape I couldn't find such info, there are 3 reported events of Phoenix lights, 1997 where the mile wide UFO was reported, 2007 and 2008 where just lights were reported but no mile wide UFO
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Post by uforn on Sept 20, 2012 17:10:27 GMT 1
What I said was for the 1997 sighting, its widely reguarded that the footage over the mountains were flares (not sure I agree there tho) and what the witnesses had seen were different.
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Post by ronologic on Sept 20, 2012 17:21:17 GMT 1
uforn, yes, flares were dropped that night, but approx 60 miles to the east of Phoenix. The witnesses in Phoenix that night later stated they were looking straight up, not to the east.
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Post by meldrew on Sept 20, 2012 18:58:33 GMT 1
I want to put this to bed so here's the thing (you lot love it when I do this) lol I don't believe the TR6 was even on the drawing board in 1997, it takes about 10 years from drawing board to being operative, I saw a docu on northrup grumman a while ago which stated this, I can't find the report in the op, infact I can't find anything on this on the northrup grumman website, I also couldn't find anything on the TR6 on the militaryaerospace site www.militaryaerospace.com/index.htmlthe authors of this blog theobjectreport.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/hypothetical-origin-of-phoenix.html do not give a source for their article. so when did this TR6 enter service ? when was it conceived ? why can't I find any details on this
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Post by uforn on Sept 20, 2012 19:02:44 GMT 1
I spoke with hiflier about this a while ago, he had come accross it before, Ill check my pm's as its in there.
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Post by uforn on Sept 20, 2012 19:07:54 GMT 1
Found it, this is what he told me: the TR6-Telos, it's actually part of the U.S. Army's 2004 fiscal budget. The project is actually number 0603305A under the Missile Defense heading. Hope this helps So according to the dates ie: phoenix lights 1997 and this project 2004 I dont see a connection unless this project started alot earlier ?
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Post by meldrew on Sept 20, 2012 19:18:59 GMT 1
Found it, this is what he told me: the TR6-Telos, it's actually part of the U.S. Army's 2004 fiscal budget. The project is actually number 0603305A under the Missile Defense heading. Hope this helps So according to the dates ie: phoenix lights 1997 and this project 2004 I dont see a connection unless this project started alot earlier ? thanks for that, I have done some work on this before as I remembered all the Triumph TR6 for sale ads.
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Post by meldrew on Sept 20, 2012 20:32:28 GMT 1
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Post by meldrew on Sept 20, 2012 23:14:20 GMT 1
I have a hunch or two, one is that there might be some thing on this on the Aviationweek site www.aviationweek.com/ if anyone wants to look my second hunch is that this story is concocted by the two bloggers at the source stated in the op.
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Post by meldrew on Sept 21, 2012 8:18:24 GMT 1
the site aviationweek doesn't like me and keeps telling me an error has occurred, so I give up on that route. but then I looked again at the op and realised that there were two big words that needed to be checked out. Electrogravitictransatmospheric. Electrogravitics is a hypothesis proposed by Nikola Tesla and Tesla's subsequent extensive experimentation and demonstrations of the effect. The term was in widespread use by 1956. The effects of electrogravity have been searched for extensively in countless experiments since the beginning of the 20th century. To date, other than Tesla's experiments and the more recent ones reported by R. L. Talley, Eugene Podkletnov, and Giovanni Modanese, "no conclusive evidence of electrogravitic signatures has been found". Recently, some investigation has begun in electrohydrodynamics (EHD) or sometimes electro-fluid-dynamics, a counterpart to the well-known magnetohydrodynamics, but these do not seem a priori to be related to Tesla's "electrogravitics". Electrokinetics is a term used by Thomas Townsend Brown for the electrically generated propulsive force. No widely accepted experimental data yet supports these calculations en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ElectrograviticsMcGraw-Hill Dictionary of Aviation: transatmospheric vehicleA spacecraft capable of flight within the atmosphere in a manner similar to an aircraft. It may take off normally or be launched by a rocket. Also called an aerospace plane. The space shuttle—an example of a transatmospheric vehicle. Read more: www.answers.com/topic/transatmospheric-vehicle#ixzz275LwgrBdso we have a huge aircraft that is fuelled by a system that isn't available yet, and the only craft that apart from the space shuttle can operate in space and earths atmosphere taking off under its own power, which the shuttle couldn't, no links on the op to verify any of the article, no dates, no case names and I could find no info on the TR6 on the Northrop Grumman site or in Aviationweek and militaryaerospace. I call this article, a load of rubbish.
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Post by meldrew on Sept 21, 2012 12:05:42 GMT 1
this is giving me a headache, an update on the objectreport website doesn't make me change my mind about this.
UPDATE: An actual eyewitness has come forward with their firsthand account of seeing one of these "boomerangs" in broad daylight. The witness has given The Object Report exclusive permission to post their description here.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Agent K,
These are the facts about my visual encounter with the "Telos TR6".
I acquired my first telescope on 02/23/2012. 4 days later while setting up my telescope early in the evening I looked up in the sky and saw an amazing sight. I observed an "inverted flying wing" flying very high, very slowly and generating no discernable noise. Prior to that night I was not a believer in UFO's, but the sight was so amazing I was compelled to search for an answer to what I had seen that night. I searched high and low on the internet and in books for answers, but I could not find a single flying wing that kept the dimensions of what I saw that day, nor one that was inverted.
I came across your website recently and over the last few months I have read many of your articles. Then last week I saw the schematic and rendering of the "TR6 Telos". It had the exact proper dimensions, and with the speculation of "electrogravitic" flight, I thought that could explain how it flew so slowly, and "backwards".
Here are the details of that night:
My Location: (address withheld) Roseville, CA, In the backyard. See specific coordinates of exact location below.
(exact coordinates withheld by request of eyewitness) - Elevation 132 ft
Time: 6:52pm PST
Location of craft: SSE sky, approximately 60 degrees up in the sky, just under and to my right of Canis Majoris (Sirius).
Trajectory of the craft: The craft was initially sighted heading out of the SSE, on a NNW heading and moved very slowly and appeared to be vey high in the sky. The craft was an earth tone, either grey or very light brown. It's apparent size was approximately 2.5"- 3" and it generated no detectable sound whatsoever. It flew as an inverted wing and appeared to defy physical laws of jet propulsion.
It travelled until it was almost over me, and then veered tightly to the SW, with minimal tilting of it's body, again defying jet propulsion laws. It moved extremely slow. It was as if it was gliding and ascending at the same time. As it began it's due west trajectory it flew for another minute and a half at which point I lost my visual. When I lost the craft it was headed towards Fiddyment Field, James Brother airport and what would have been possibly Yolo county.
If you have further questions, please feel free to contact me.
Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ My first response follows...
(Name withheld),
Excellent information. I have a few more questions for you;
1) Did you notice any type of lighting configuration?
2) Could you hazard a guess as to it's approximate altitude or was it too difficult to tell due to the environmental conditions?
3) Being a boomerang/flying wing shape, would you say the angle sweep to the wings was a perfect 90 degree angle (like my TR6 illustration) or was it a wider sweep like the B-2 Spirit?
Looking at Google Earth I noticed that Roseville is about 35 miles due south of Beale AFB, which IF a TR program such as this existed--Beale would be in the top 2 or 3 bases in the country where it would operate from. My only hesitation is that there doesn't look to be a hangar quite large enough to stow something this big at Beale (even with folded wings), unless it's not quite as big as people describe it as being? People get excited in the moment of seeing something so strange and sometimes their sense of dimension and distance can be exaggerated.
Would you mind if I posted your firsthand description to the TR6 illustration page? I will of course withhold your name, location and any personal details. I think it would add to the posting to have an "eyewitness" account.
Thank you, Agent K ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eyewitness' second response follows...
Agent K… I would be okay with you posting my description.
Some extra detail I remember, there appeared to be paneling. As if it wasn’t one solid piece. I understand as an amateur astronomer people often create details in their mind that can be seen in their eyes, but I remember that it didn’t seem like a solid piece of metal floating around. It looked real to me.
Here are the answers to your questions:
1. There were no lights that I could see to my best recollection. I’ve tried hard to keep this within my memory. It was years ago, and the facts I have stated are definitely accurate. If I refrain from speaking definitely on this detail it’s only to make sure that every detail I’m giving is exactly accurate.
2. The altitude was very hard to fathom. Usually I know how big an object is so I can tell how far it might be, or I can listen to its engine to gauge it’s distance by listening to the sound as it passes. I would have put it at approximately 1,000-3,000 feet high, and I was thinking the size estimate could be reduced or enlarged based upon those terms. Unfortunately I can’t do much better than 1,000-3,000 feet based off of what I saw.
3. The angle of the wingspan was absolutely between 90 degrees and 110 degrees. It was not wider than that. I remember specifically because it looked almost like a perfect right angle.
I wish I could put together a computer model of the event so better estimates could be taken. I’m not that saavy… Nor do I have the tech.
Thanks for your time. I’m still available for questions if you need further info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ End of report...
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Post by bazmatic on Sept 21, 2012 14:00:56 GMT 1
I remember the triumph tr6, I could not afford one so I bought a herald instead (wanted a vitesse really)
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Post by meldrew on Sept 21, 2012 17:19:27 GMT 1
I remember the triumph tr6, I could not afford one so I bought a herald instead (wanted a vitesse really) thanks for that baz, I like a silly comment as much as anyone, I was reading about a case this morning, in the comments at the end, someone who called themself colonel something or another replied with one word, YAWN, the response was something like, is that all you have to say, you remind me of a dog that walks on to my front yard at night, craps and walks off, ;D about this hypothetical rubbish, I've had enough of it, and will not bother with any hypothetical clap trap again, its pants I tell you, anyone can present anything as hypothetical because its just a word for "what if"
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Post by bazmatic on Sept 21, 2012 19:51:39 GMT 1
bought the herald for £40 and realised the roof was only bolted on, that soon came off (it was the 70's) got a bit wet when it rained though as the roof didn't fit in the boot.
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Post by prettyboyfloyd on Sept 23, 2012 23:49:09 GMT 1
This footage is from Laszlo. In Sydney Australia. I reckon its the real deal.Could it be the Tr6 or the original Boomerang?Thats been sighted worldwide. Cheers:Prettyboyfloyd
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2012 2:07:48 GMT 1
Hello prettyboyfloyd,
Good one. Thanks, I like it! Not a bad job of videoing either if you ask me.
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