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Nov 15, 2012 17:41:29 GMT 1
Post by dbh on Nov 15, 2012 17:41:29 GMT 1
Something that I have been wondering about for a little while… As UFO researchers, and I guess it is fair to call us that… is appears that we are always waiting for the perfect…undeniable sighting, the one that is seen by 10,000 people, captured on video 500 times and completely irrefutable. But… are we not seeing the tree because of the forest? Meaning…. Everyday… orb sightings are seen, recorded, posted and dismissed… why? Is it because they are no longer glamorous? Is it because they are boring? Is it because they are all Chinese lanterns? Is it because they are not real? Hoaxes? Birds? Bugs? Is it because the sources are unconfirmed? Unknown? Many times seem produced with bad music and etc? Why, as “ad-hoc” investigators do we dismiss these things? Source – www.latest-ufo-sightings.net/Nov 11, 2012 – UFO or orbs flying over Orlando Florida www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kSj3JifRLyoNov11, 2012 - Mass UFO sighting over Melbourne, AU www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5n6C7cqgMRkNov10, 2012 – Unidentified object see and filmed over Sarawak, Borneo www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uNGGKkmW32c#! Nov9, 2012 – Bright UFO over Tulsa, Oklahoma www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5n0eQ5xnaIY Nov6, 2012 – Fast UFOs caught on tape over Sand Hill Forest in South Carolina www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Udi5f9tyYuA Nov6, 2012 – Unknown lights over Longmont Colorado www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9c_7npa5JSA Nov5, 2012 – Bright UFO over Tucson, Arizona www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ov5pz-7ACYg#! Nov3, 2012 – Unidentified flying objects over Dallas, Oregon www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mb-ov3-fPPY Nov2, 2012 – UFO lights over Phoenix www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aYBzno5xstc Nov2, 2012 – Unknown lights above Las Vegas www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B5yhWu1XC3I Nov2, 2012 – Fast UFOs over Sydney AU www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nIQT3d21QEk Nov1, 2012 – UFO over Oregon www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uJUvr9_4TWc Nov1, 2012 – Bright UFO hovering above New Jersey www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9TgycBSLDcY Source – MUFON Nov15, 2012 – Nipomo, CA mufoncms.com/cgi-bin/report_handler.pl?req=view_long_desc&id=43917&rnd= Nov15, 2012 – Brooklyn, NY mufoncms.com/cgi-bin/report_handler.pl?req=view_long_desc&id=43916&rnd= Nov14, 2012 - Shenandoah, IA, mufoncms.com/cgi-bin/report_handler.pl?req=view_long_desc&id=43912&rnd= Nov14, 2012 - Mingo Junction, OH mufoncms.com/cgi-bin/report_handler.pl?req=view_long_desc&id=43910&rnd= Nov13, 2012 - SPARKS, NV mufoncms.com/cgi-bin/report_handler.pl?req=view_long_desc&id=43909&rnd= Nov13, 2012 - Thornton, IA mufoncms.com/cgi-bin/report_handler.pl?req=view_long_desc&id=43905&rnd= Nov13, 2012 - Thorndale, PA mufoncms.com/cgi-bin/report_handler.pl?req=view_long_desc&id=43899&rnd= Nov13, 2012 - Marietta, GA mufoncms.com/cgi-bin/report_handler.pl?req=view_long_desc&id=43897&rnd=Nov13, 2012 - Flushing, MI mufoncms.com/cgi-bin/report_handler.pl?req=view_long_desc&id=43896&rnd= Nov11, 2012 - Blue Springs, MO mufoncms.com/cgi-bin/report_handler.pl?req=view_long_desc&id=43895&rnd= Nov10, 2012 – Cape Coral, FL mufoncms.com/cgi-bin/report_handler.pl?req=view_long_desc&id=43918&rnd=Nov8, 2012 - landrum, SC mufoncms.com/cgi-bin/report_handler.pl?req=view_long_desc&id=43903&rnd= Nov6, 2012 - Woodlands, TX (pictures on MUFON) mufoncms.com/cgi-bin/report_handler.pl?req=view_long_desc&id=43904&rnd= Nov2, 2012 - Phoenix, AZ mufoncms.com/cgi-bin/report_handler.pl?req=view_long_desc&id=43898&rnd= Just for the record…. I have only looked for the first 2 weeks here in November and as far a MUFON goes, I have a least 20 more sightings / postings I could give… but I think the point is being made…. Here we have close to 40 sightings… are they all to be overlooked? Why? dbh
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Nov 15, 2012 23:28:20 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2012 23:28:20 GMT 1
Hello dbh,
I have hinted around Forums that folks should pick a shape and seriously study it. And I'm not just talking about watching the YT videos. I' talking about really studying the shape chosen. Now, you are connected in some fashion with MUFON and I think that's great. BUT! There has been a chronic failure in the reporting protocols that you may not be aware of. I've been in dialogue with Mufon off and on since Aug. 2012 in an attempt to bring this problem to light and I think I have succeded somewhat. It's revolves around report chronologies and perhaps you would be interested to know some more details on that subject and what I've brought to light.
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Nov 15, 2012 23:52:46 GMT 1
Post by dbh on Nov 15, 2012 23:52:46 GMT 1
I agree with you 100%... if I could go higher i would...
well the main problem that I see with regards to all of these postings of sightings...stories... everything.... there is absolutely no following what so ever...
Does anyone know what MUFON does with the tons of reports they receive? do field reporters follow up at all? are thier findings ever posted??
If know wone knows this information, I will attempt to find out... but does anyone know?
dbh
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Nov 16, 2012 0:05:58 GMT 1
Post by dbh on Nov 16, 2012 0:05:58 GMT 1
here is what I have found with regards to MUFON...
How does MUFON conduct an investigation? We receive UFO reports via contacts with local authorities and news media as well as at MUFON headquarters where an email team is on hand to respond. When alerted, the state or provincial director assigns one or more field investigators in the vicinity. On-site investigations usually entail personal interviews with the witnesses; completion of appropriate sighting forms, written accounts and drawings to depict the scene; and assessment of the immediate environment. Collateral contacts with neighbors, police, air traffic control staff and others often shed light on a possible misperception or uncover more witnesses. Investigators prepare a case report for review by their state/provincial director and MUFON's director of investigations. Any materials needing technical analysis (e.g., photos or soil samples) are sent to experts in those fields. Ultimately, all essential factors are entered into a computerized database for comparative analysis. We thus gain insights into the nature of aerial phenomena
What it doesn't talk about is the realease of any of the final analsys...
i will continue to follow up
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Nov 16, 2012 0:14:01 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2012 0:14:01 GMT 1
Hello dbh,
Some of the recent reports I've read WRT Black Triangles are seriously lacking. My guess is when folks contact MUFON with a phoned in report which seems like most of what gets posted as a report the data one would like to see simply does not exist. Example: direction. Only about 25% of the reports for the database I'm compiling ever have that piece of information.
It's like someone calls in and says they saw a Triangle at a shopping mall with white light on the corners and whoever they talked to says OK we'll make a note of it and that's all the data that ends up on the report- A triangle seen at a mall with three white lights. How does one do research when the report is so austere? As far as findings? Never. Part of my dialogue with MUFON has been to encourage some closer attention to there image.
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Nov 16, 2012 0:25:30 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2012 0:25:30 GMT 1
Hello dbh,
As a follow up of my own I will say that the upper echelon at MUFON has been good to work with though. I don't know know what the heirarchy is like there and I realize most are volunteers but there seems to be a break in getting the polocies WRT taking a good report at the level most of the poublic deals with when contacting them as a "cold call".
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Nov 16, 2012 0:35:48 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2012 0:35:48 GMT 1
Hello dbh, here is what I have found with regards to MUFON... How does MUFON conduct an investigation? We receive UFO reports via contacts with local authorities and news media as well as at MUFON headquarters where an email team is on hand to respond. When alerted, the state or provincial director assigns one or more field investigators in the vicinity. On-site investigations usually entail personal interviews with the witnesses; completion of appropriate sighting forms, written accounts and drawings to depict the scene; and assessment of the immediate environment. Collateral contacts with neighbors, police, air traffic control staff and others often shed light on a possible misperception or uncover more witnesses. Investigators prepare a case report for review by their state/provincial director and MUFON's director of investigations. Any materials needing technical analysis (e.g., photos or soil samples) are sent to experts in those fields. Ultimately, all essential factors are entered into a computerized database for comparative analysis. We thus gain insights into the nature of aerial phenomena What it doesn't talk about is the realease of any of the final analsys... i will continue to follow up That sounds like the ideal situation but alas, I see little of that approach in MUFON'S database. I'm not being critical of what I suspect is an overwhelming deluge of calls and emails. My real concern revolves around witnesses perhaps feeling stifled because of that deluge. At least that's my impression as I read through the reports. The data is just so lacking.
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Nov 16, 2012 3:50:00 GMT 1
Post by meldrew on Nov 16, 2012 3:50:00 GMT 1
hello chaps, I loves me a good mufon debate, I think some of my warning points were accrued whilst having a mufon debate ;D so the point is why don't we post mufon reports on orbs ? is that the real debate here ?
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Nov 16, 2012 4:12:47 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2012 4:12:47 GMT 1
Hello meldrew, I'm not so sure. I think the point is that the poor orbs have been taking a back seat because there only...well...orbs. And what's so special about an orb. I think dbh was saying that orbs should have the same status as a giant cigar shaped object. Anyway I thought I did a fair job of presenting some MUFON shortcomings. I hope he/she understands them; I'm sure he/she does.
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Nov 16, 2012 4:17:35 GMT 1
Post by meldrew on Nov 16, 2012 4:17:35 GMT 1
in my case dbh I plead guilty to not posting mufon reports on orbs, I would like you also to take into consideration the fact that I don't post any mufon reports. I search hub sights that use pre screened reports, I then wait for analysis of reports, there are hundreds a week, if any reports are interesting then like cream they rise to the top of the pile. mufon reports hardly ever make it to the top of the pile, they are uncorroborated and uninvestigated, I can't be arsed to waste my time on that sort of thing, which has been known to bring on bouts ufo tiredness syndrome, where the only cure is a few months off and don't revisit the places that triggered this appalling illness ;D
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Nov 16, 2012 4:34:04 GMT 1
Post by meldrew on Nov 16, 2012 4:34:04 GMT 1
Hello meldrew, I'm not so sure. I think the point is that the poor orbs have been taking a back seat because there only...well...orbs. And what's so special about an orb. I think dbh was saying that orbs should have the same status as a giant cigar shaped object. Anyway I thought I did a fair job of presenting some MUFON shortcomings. I hope he/she understands them; I'm sure he/she does. hiflier you get more like me as time goes by lol, dbh is a he by the way, dbh as researchers we can't do everything anyway, you just end up with cheap and cheerful and no substance, but why not start your own thread, the latest mufon reports thread edited by dbh, you can then post them on there, there are problem solved
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Nov 16, 2012 5:33:37 GMT 1
Post by meldrew on Nov 16, 2012 5:33:37 GMT 1
I should have said ufo fatigue earlier not ufo tiredness, I think you know what I meant, it happens to researchers when the levels of B/S gets too high, you shout at the screen "I don't bloody belieeve it" then pack it all in for a few months, one of the things we can do to combat this debilitating illness is to stay away from high levels of concentrations of B/S and the list of places to keep away from gets longer and longer, and think I'm showing symptoms of early stage ufo fatigue ;D
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Nov 16, 2012 15:55:50 GMT 1
Post by dbh on Nov 16, 2012 15:55:50 GMT 1
hello chaps, I loves me a good mufon debate, I think some of my warning points were accrued whilst having a mufon debate ;D so the point is why don't we post mufon reports on orbs ? is that the real debate here ? no Mildrew... the debate is not whether or not we should take MUFON report seriously, that is a tangent of the larger topic.... the main question was... about orbs in general... this is copied from above.... As UFO researchers, and I guess it is fair to call us that… is appears that we are always waiting for the perfect…undeniable sighting, the one that is seen by 10,000 people, captured on video 500 times and completely irrefutable.
But… are we not seeing the tree because of the forest?
Meaning…. Everyday… orb sightings are seen, recorded, posted and dismissed… why?
Is it because they are no longer glamorous? Is it because they are boring? Is it because they are all Chinese lanterns? Is it because they are not real? Hoaxes? Birds? Bugs? Is it because the sources are unconfirmed? Unknown? Many times seem produced with bad music and etc?
Why, as “ad-hoc” investigators do we dismiss these things?then we got on the topic of MUFON and the inability to not be able to follow up.... but I am more interested in view on why we dont take orbs seriously. They are without a doubt the most common type of sighting. The whole idea of all of th links was to show how common they really are.....
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Nov 16, 2012 16:08:24 GMT 1
Post by meldrew on Nov 16, 2012 16:08:24 GMT 1
I don't take them as a ufo I suppose is the truth, if you watch a ghost hunters docu they see orbs on these infrared lens, they see them too, they love them orbs or ghosts as they call them, I'm more interested in nuts and bolts ufos, is this a survey lol
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Nov 16, 2012 23:24:22 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2012 23:24:22 GMT 1
Hello all,
OK, lets say someone, or a group of someones, wants to take on the orbs. Where would they begin? My opinion is to start with available databases. Then try to establish a pattern. In anyone's opinion what might be the next step? I know what I would do but I'm asking you first instead. The reason being that in order to establish a pattern there needs to be a pattern of research to follow as a guideline for ALL research into UFO's. It could be time to start a thread on what that pattern of research should be. I thinkt it would be interesting and maybe even encourage others to get involved.
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Nov 19, 2012 17:38:29 GMT 1
Post by dbh on Nov 19, 2012 17:38:29 GMT 1
In addition to many ORBS being misidentified as Chinese Lanterns I will also admit that many are the direct result of lens flairs and camera “tricks. But I also think many are not. The main difference of one being a lens flair and not is the when the ORBS are first seen with the naked eye and then captured via camera and\or video.
Also, many ORBs are reoccurring, travel in formations\groups; change colors, and perform maneuvers beyond the capabilities of conventional aircraft.
While 99% of ORBs might be easily explained (just a guess) it is the 1% that should looked into for further analysis. There for, I think a consistent methodology should be applied to identify patterns or if we can locate the ORBs of high credibility and high strangeness.
The methodology would be a specific set of fixed questions to further categorize each ORB to smaller subsets to see if any patterns emerge or to weed out the weak.
While this is not a complete set of questions, these are just a few that come to mind as I write…
is there any photographic evidence to validate sighting…photos…video?
Are there multiple witnesses…multiple pictures, videos… different angles?
How reliable do the witnesses seem? Hoax? Professional? Greedy? Creditable? Etc…
Is there a way to “follow up”?
As for the orbs themselves…
How many were they?
Any formation or pattern?
Did they just float or was there any special maneuver? Was there “money shot? – meaning something that defies explanation such as a rapid decent?
What color were they? Did they mutate? Come together? Break apart?
Do they reoccur?
Did they make sounds?
How big were they, how far did they appear?
Were there any signs of official activity… Police, military, helicopters….
Of course… the questions would be consistent… formalized and designed in a way to locate high credible… hi strange and unexplainable objects.
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Nov 19, 2012 19:26:35 GMT 1
Post by meldrew on Nov 19, 2012 19:26:35 GMT 1
good post dbh it's time to make a clear definition on what orbs are, there seems to be some confusion, if your talking about lights that dart around at great speed, then I've always referred to them as dancing light UFOs, the orbs I refer to are not visible with the naked eye.
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