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Post by sddwashington on Jan 25, 2013 13:37:23 GMT 1
Dear Members, Thank you for permitting me to be a member. This group appears to be a professional bunch. I am an American and had 2 UFO encounters in 1964. Both sightings were within a week of one another. Sighting 1 involved 4 neighborhood kids and 2 adults near Military installation in North Hagerstown Maryland in the United States. Sighting number 2 was seen by myself and my younger sister one week later east of Hagerstown Maryland close to Camp David the Presidential retreat in South Mountain. The Flying Saucers seen were just that. Very very high polished mirror top sides with a grey underside as flying disc,s. Both sightings were hovering above trees close to the ground with no noise what so ever. The second sighting we were very close to the flying craft. I was not afraid, but my sister was terrified and to this day 50 years later we still talk about this. My sister was traumatized by the second event. I was 11 years old at that time. Someone gave my Father a book called Flying Saucers have landed by George Adamski. I wrote to Mr. Adamski until his death a couple years later and I got to meet Him in Silver Spring Maryland in 1966. He passed away shortly there after. So Mr. Adamski spent a lot of time with a young boy from the state of Maryland and He lives in Loma Lima California near the Mt. Palamour Telescope which was a big deal in the day. I now live in Brisbane Australia and there a mass sightings here and as a Christian have tried to understand what I am seeing. I am typing this on an IPhone so I will stop for now. I also know Glen Stecking of the George Adamski Foundation. You will be hearing from me as I hear from the Australian Military. Feel free to write to me. I am 60 now with Blood Cancer but am doing well. God Speed. SDDWASHINGTON. Brisbane Australia 26-01-2013.
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Post by Tommy on Jan 25, 2013 13:52:35 GMT 1
Welcome to UFORN sddwashington I like the fact that youve had a true flying saucers sighting, Adamski is considered to be nothing more than a HOAXER, there is a load of information on the net on Adamski's claims.
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Post by sddwashington on Jan 25, 2013 18:34:13 GMT 1
Welcome to UFORN sddwashington I like the fact that youve had a true flying saucers sighting, Adamski is considered to be nothing more than a HOAXER, there is a load of information on the net on Adamski's claims. Yes sir I heard about 3 Mouths ago that Adamski was a Hoaxer. That is a real shame sir. As a child I fell for this guy,s testimony hook line and sinker. I am glad that you also have told me this. Are his Bell shaped craft fakes also? Then I must also inform this Glen Stecking guy about this. Thank you so much. But it is true He did see the Pope. I do not understand that one.
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Post by higgsboson on Jan 25, 2013 19:53:22 GMT 1
'Flying Saucers Have Landed' was the first UFO book I ever read from cover to cover. As a kid, it really got me hooked on the subject. My opinion of Adamski is also that he was a hoaxer but as a child I was hook, line and sinker for it also. Was it Desmond Leslie who co-wrote the book with him?
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Post by sddwashington on Jan 25, 2013 22:00:13 GMT 1
Yes indeed it was Desmond and Adamski was sort of a co- author. I still Marvel over those pictures. He wrote me many letters and Gosh I guess they are worthless but how he got to meet the Pope is beyond me. Good on hou Higgsboson!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2013 23:46:34 GMT 1
Hello sddwashington,
Welcome to the UFORN Forum! Looking forward to reading whatever you bring on board.
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Post by sddwashington on Jan 26, 2013 0:29:37 GMT 1
Hello sddwashington, Welcome to the UFORN Forum! Looking forward to reading whatever you bring on board. Good Morning from Brisbane. Yep thank you very much for the Greeting "hiflier" and yep I have a good bit to talk about. 45 years worth. But I am going to talk about real issues and try to stay away contactee inbred and other things. I am going to Dob out what I know from Military days as my time here is not long. I have Lymphoma, but at present am doing good. YouTube is now a Haven for Fools, pranks, and slick productions to draw attention to there arts in Software production. I question the NWO and UFO,s. I am very open, but a more skeptical of big claims. Take the Apollo 20 dead woman pilot of that alleged NASA photo. I have a hard time with it.
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Post by Aelius on Jan 26, 2013 6:38:44 GMT 1
Welcome.
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Post by dbh on Jan 29, 2013 18:53:32 GMT 1
Welcome aboard SDD!!!
I am\was interested in your comment about you mentioning that fact that you are a Christian... have you ever looked \ read the bible and wondered... are they really talking about abductions... saucers.... beings... think about it....
DBH
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Post by sddwashington on Jan 31, 2013 12:09:48 GMT 1
'Flying Saucers Have Landed' was the first UFO book I ever read from cover to cover. As a kid, it really got me hooked on the subject. My opinion of Adamski is also that he was a hoaxer but as a child I was hook, line and sinker for it also. Was it Desmond Leslie who co-wrote the book with him? G'Day mate. Can you remember about what year you read Flying Saucers have Landed? I am really interested in knowing this. And how did you get it? Thank you so much.
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Post by sddwashington on Jan 31, 2013 13:07:57 GMT 1
Welcome aboard SDD!!! I am\was interested in your comment about you mentioning that fact that you are a Christian... have you ever looked \ read the bible and wondered... are they really talking about abductions... saucers.... beings... think about it.... DBH Hello dbh!!!! I do not know how I overlooked your post to me. My degree is in Theology and yes I am a Christian. There are many scriptures that could be interpreted in some weird ways. Knowing Greek and Hebrew is a big asset. There are no known abductions in the Bible whether Catholic or Protestant or any secret books of the Bible. The most popular subject in Scripture is about "The Nephilim". Now this is a Biblical doctrine from the book of Genesis Chapter 6 verse 4 which entails giants in the Old Testament. What this means is this. There are certain fallen angels which are very evil and there was consummation with them and fair ( Good Looking ) earth women were there sexual targets. Look up Nephilim in YouTube all you will see a lot about giants as a genetic result of this sexual union. There are photographs of skeletal remains on file and film which are not CGI related taken long before that technology. One compentant teacher of this subject on YouTube is L.A. Marzulli. He is a real professional on this subject. He also believes in a breeding program of evil entities producing hybrids with the human race. This then gets into UFO, s big time. Here is all the information you need. My own son in American has had dinner twice with this man. Remember L.A. Marzulli. Now another fine author is this. Information: Alien Intrusion - UFO,s and the Evolution Connection By Gary Bates. WWW.AlienIntrusion.com. An Amazon top 50 best seller. Copyright 2004. ISBN-13: 978-0-89051-435-6 Printed in the United States of America. Or Creation Ministries International PO Bo. 4546 Eight Mile Plains QLD 4113 Australia 61733409888 that is the whole phone number. I know this man. SDD.
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Post by dbh on Jan 31, 2013 21:48:43 GMT 1
Morning SDD,
I am a little familiar with the story of the Nephilim, all be it probably not to the extent as you are, however, when I hear stories of the bible, I always attempt to view it into the context of what we know now.
My view of the bible is... that it was written in a different time for a target audience far different than our current understanding of the world. While I am not completely unconvinced and I could never ever prove this theory, I often wonder if the early chapters of the bible came from a period of human development a prior to this current "stage”. I also believe the first chapters of the old testament are a history book from this earlier stage that tended to explain things in a way that made sense to people at the time….not the way we might understand things today… just a simple example that has been in my head for a while that I need to get out… Please note I am not advocating this as true, for I have no evidence to make such a claim, it is just a different way to look at a story from the bible with a different twist…
We have all heard the basic story of Noah’s ark…. the story of how Noah gathered all the animals two-by two on two his boat… In many respects it is viewed as a children’s fable. Considering the complexities of such a task, we kind of mock this story because gathering the thousands upon thousands of animals, the boat would have to be huge… let alone gather animals from other parts of the world and etc…. but…. What if… instead of gathering all of the physical animals…. We had a “bank” that contained the DNA of every plant and animal. Impossible? Not hardly… check out Norway’s Doomsday Seed vault via Google… this is currently being done…. Now just imagine… Forget, for now the timing of everything… but just imagine…. For a second… maybe there was a thriving technologically advance human population or some sort or unknown alien assistance on earth let’s say…700,000 years ago…. And maybe they had gathered the DNA of every plant and animal and stored in in a doomsday vault…. Then maybe… something happened… and the world was basically wiped out…. Nuclear war \ explosion, etc… so for the most part… 99% of the world was wiped out… everything gone… but prior to the explosion… a few…elite… were able to escape via some sort of space craft with the doomsday vault…
Now imagine a few generations after all of this… how you might explain this story to the few survivors… now there is little to no technology… no more schools, nothing, man is basically at the stone age level… the concepts over time of space travel, DNA, technology all vanished and only memories handed down verbally for a few generations. As a result, without understanding DNA and etc… could the concept of creating a DNA doomsday vault not come across as gathering all the physical animals 2 by 2? Since they no longer had space exploration… might a space ship be explained as a boat? And… maybe the flood… was really nuclear fallout that fell from the sky…. I am not saying this is what happened…. But what I am saying is, don’t discount the stories….
If anyone knows of anyone else who has theorized in such a manor I would love to read their work.
Being that you have a degree in Theology and you are a Christian, I mean absolutely no disrespect with what I am about to say. But you mentioned in your post that the bible does not mention anything specifically about abductions. But…couldn’t the story about the birth of Jesus fit many of the cases of an abduction? Mary was a virgin and was visited by angel and became pregnant. Again, thinking about when the bible was written, how might one explain an alien visitation? Maybe as an angel? As for Mary getting pregnant, well, 1000’s of alleged abductees believe that they have taken part in some sort of alien \ human hybrid program. Maybe Jesus was really an alien hybrid that just happened to live on earth. I am not saying this is true. I am just conjecturing that the possibility exist that it could be true.
Anyways, I am rambling.... the bottom line is... when ever I hear the phrase... the holy spirit... I think alien... does that make me crazy?
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Post by sddwashington on Feb 1, 2013 0:41:35 GMT 1
DBH, G'day to you at 9:00 am Friday February 1st.
No sir, You are not crazy in anyway shape or form. If anybody is critical of the Bible then it is me SDD. When I saw my first day time metal flying disc as other family members looked on and then a second event 1 week later, that experience stayed buried in my heart. When I was a young seminarian at age 19, I was nothing but questions. Chariots of the God,s was another stumbling block on my spiritual journey. I still question even today in 2013 and it is 40 years later. Some of the subjects you brought up are very valid thinking and I have no issue what so ever with what you have written. But one thing I might see with you is putting the cart before the horse. Secular scientists and the world view held today is all Darwin evolutionary thought process. I have studied hemoglobin and hematology and the immune system for years. If you just look at the argument of design alone it does not take much faith in believing in a creator. This becomes before UFO,s. The reason that people want answers to the UFO question is because we as humans are frighten of life as it is full of so many unknown,s. We are afraid of Death, we are afraid of Cancer etc. We deep down inside our hearts want security. So if we have our space brothers as George Adamski called them, who were a good looking bunch of tanned Blonde haired hippie types. And they are going to help our lost souls, sure we are going to believe in a nice altruistic group like that, are we not DBH? But in the big picture and scope of life and if you study the Bible in many versions you will see a pattern. Hundreds of prophecies were fulfilled in the Old Testament over the birth of Jesus Christ that have spanned over to close of 6000 years. Think about this DBH as I wrote last night in bed on a IPhone to answer your question. How do we advance in 100 years time to where we are now. A 5 gig processor is a 15 gig next year. Look at the weather patterns. See a change? Earthquake,s. See an increase? War, Nuclear weapons and the whole gauntlet of starvation and mass disease. So I do not need the comfort of ET. God in a very supernatural way gives me that peace. And that same peace and certainty can be had for all. DBH, it awaits you also. Now my wife mucks this post up because I have to go to a Government appointment for immigration. We will talk more on this my Friend. You are a good thinker DHB.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2013 1:16:31 GMT 1
Hello dbh,
Your thinking is admirable and who's to say you're version is not correct. I can't really comment on the story because there is simply not enough information in those ancient writings to say one way or another. I will say though that these kinds of postings are a bit outside the scope of the Forum and there is no place to bring this kind of topic if it spills into a religious tone. UFO's however are another matter. Just thinking out loud here.
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Post by sddwashington on Feb 1, 2013 8:09:09 GMT 1
To my Friends DBH and Hiflier. I have gotten asked that UFO/Bible question a good bit. I do understand what Hiflier is referring too. I do not preach evangelical Christianity on any site of webpage unless it is a Theological website. DBH, s question was indeed a valid one. It would not have been a fair go to him had I did not answer the question and here is my reason. It is okay to talk about Shirley MacLaine and her book "Living on the edge" and then the book was turned into a movie. She like Oprah Whinfry are the religious New Age leaders in America today. Shirley in her book claims to have contacted aliens of the benovelent kind. UFO,s are all through her New Age writings. It is a religion and I do know that. The fear at public boards is Bible thumpers and preachers that die the death and I agree with Hiflier there. I can not tolerate religious arguments on who is right and who is wrong and it just does not fly here at UFORN. But if you disband a Biblical UFO argument then you are going to have to not be partial to one facet of the Church and the new age movement Church style. I am not politically correct and I know if. You can not have it both ways. So DBH you are an administrator. I guess PM me for sensitive UFO issues.
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Post by sddwashington on Feb 1, 2013 8:26:54 GMT 1
Out on a Limb is an autobiographical book written by American film actress Shirley MacLaine in 1983. It details MacLaine's journeys through New Age spirituality. The book follows McLaine from California to various locations including New York, Hawaii, and Europe, culminating in a life-changing trip to the Andes mountains in Peru. Central "characters" include "David" who is, according to MacLaine herself, a composite character, "Gerry Stamford", a married man and member of the House of Commons of the United Kingdom, with whom McLaine was having an affair, and real-life close friend and politician, Bella Abzug.
The book received both acclaim and criticism for its candor in dealing with such topics as reincarnation, meditation, mediumship (trance-channelling), and even unidentified flying objects. This is the book that made Shirley MacLaine the butt of many a joke, especially by the late-night comedians. Once, when David Letterman would not let up on the New Age subject, MacLaine responded by saying, "I think Cher was right; You are an ass-hole!"
Out on a Limb was adapted for television in 1987. The five-hour ABC Television miniseries starred Shirley MacLaine (as herself), John Heard as "David Manning", and Charles Dance as "Jerry Stamford." Jerry Orbach played her agent. MacLaine kept a diary during the filming of the miniseries. The notes were later turned into the book It's All In The Playing. This is a more complete addendum as I had the book spelled wrong. From Wilkpedia
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Post by dbh on Feb 1, 2013 20:38:15 GMT 1
I understand all views here and I agree that this has veered a bit off topic from a normal introduction. Just to clarify, my thought process is more along the line of an ancient aliens perspective and how it might have influenced western religions.... but...It is a very fine line to walk with conversations involving God and\or Religion. So...Being that there is no actaul proof or evidence and we are merely talking about theories and conjecture... and... Considering this a UFO centric research site were we try to uphold standards based on solid proof \evidence. I have no problem taking this conversation offline and continuing via PM\Email. If anyone viewing this post would like to be included further in this topic of conversation, please send either me or SDD a note and we will CC you in on the conversation. Thanks HiFlier DBH
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Post by sddwashington on Feb 2, 2013 2:20:16 GMT 1
No worries DBH and Hiflier. If Hiflier thought I was a crazed religious cult leader He would have dealt with me straightaway!! Hiflier is my biggest help here and becoming a good friend. DBH, I see your heart. I will be in touch and we will have an enjoyable relationship on the subject matter to date. All good Mates, No Worries.
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