johnd
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Post by johnd on Dec 23, 2016 14:33:28 GMT 1
Hi For 20 years i believed in alien life on other planets,i witnessed a UFO myself hovering over a chemical plant in 1999 and went to a talk by Col. Holt about his UFO experience in Suffolk.I am also a christian believer for the same period & have had plenty experience of the Holy Spirit in my life and believe in the appiritions of the Blessed Virgin Mary at Medjorgorje etc "The Father has placed me on this mission of being a Mediatrix between God & man". She appeared to the visionary Veronica at Bayside USA between 1970-1994 and among subjects covered were UFO's. A couple of quotes "UFO's as you call them are used by SATAN & other demons from hell as transports to confuse & confound mankind into thinking there is alien life in the universe the only creation of the Father has been given in the book of love & life" (bible). We are now living through the Book Of Revelations, these are the end times, "in this final battle because of the sins of mankind there are many agents of hell now loose on the earth". There is our natural world and the supernatural Heaven, Hell & Purgatory. The Devil knows his time is now short and so when the christian church is RAPTURED, news medias will report to those left behind that a mass UFO abduction has occured to explain the disapearance of these people,covering up the Divine Act from you.And as in surveys at least half those surveyed believe in alien life, abductions etc thanks to the UFO phenomenon most will probably accept this explanation. This and other subjects covering the end times can be found under directives on the shrine website www.tldm.org the Warning, Great Miracle & Chastisements to come.As ever in this spiritual battle prayer is key, please don't let the evil one fool mankind.
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Post by georgek on Dec 23, 2016 18:54:34 GMT 1
Hello John,
It is interesting to note, about this UFO was hovering over a chemical plant.
UFOS in general hover around sites of concern, and my immediate question would be:- "Why pick this chemical plant?"
A way forward would be:- "where was/is this chemical plant and what is it's history concerning safety?"
I am placing myself in a neutral position here, without going off at a tangent.
For every thousand pro UFO theories there are gonna be another thousand in the opposite direction. The biggest unsympathetic cause, would be to slam them all in a basket and place the seal of God on top. That way, anything that gets out is dead before it has a chance.
Here you have made a valid point. This is a witness account of a UFO, The thing that gives it credence, is the fact that you oppose UFOS but admit that you have seen one?
To me, this is valid step forward in UFO research as it poses the question:- "Why?"
Personally, I would like to hear the facts about this chemical plant and the the voices of concern...if any?
That way, there will be a valid step forward into UFO research, as my question would be:- "If it were by chance that you saw this UFO, then what would be the chances of it hovering over an area of least concern as opposed to this one?"
If others are worried, then so would I be. Most importantly, if these UFOS are benevolent, THEY would be worried...or else why should they be there, instead of a place of least concern? As they have done nothing...they are hardly going to...which validates their sincerity even more.
George
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Post by johnd on Dec 26, 2016 17:36:18 GMT 1
I would say they tend to be at places of concern like chemical plants as part of the ruse, pretending to have an interest in it to cause concern & confusion.My theory is, based on the Bayside revelations that there is no alien life out there and UFO's are being used by Satan etc to try & convince us they are, so that when the church is Raptured he has a ready explanation for the population, that of the UFO mass abduction.I assume there will be plenty of UFO activity around that time.
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Post by georgek on Dec 26, 2016 19:47:10 GMT 1
Hello John,
Well.....I would say that some progress has been made here? You have still not mentioned the name of the plant which would be of further interest, because then we can look at the safety factors that govern public safety.
The word 'ruse' which you have kindly contributed means to trick or mislead.
I hardly think that anyone who saw this UFO would stand to think about it, if they thought in this way?
If by coming into our atmosphere just to be noticed, especially over a chemical plant, does not make sense. I think the majority of enthusiasts here would also agree that UFOS have been EVASIVE.
Evasive in the sense, whereby they quickly disappear when noticed.
Reasoning is futile because here you have introduced a KANGAROO COURT.
This is the same devouring reasoning that took our Lord to his crucifixion.
I think they called it blasphemy and no amount of reasoning could have saved him.
The mark of the devil was clearly on his head to dare to go against the common belief of that time.
Jesus was a revolutionist. In today's society he would have been 'black listed' and prosecuted for damaging the temple. Perhaps even a hate preacher for provoking hatred etc.
I was told at Derby Cliff College that UFOS are here to poison our minds and heard a good many lectures what the theologians had to say.
As you know, scriptures were written a good 300 years later and not all the Gospels agree. Further more, they state that this is opinionated as opposed to fact.
Without 'flying off' into obscurity here......Christianity has always made it's claim as being the one and only religion for our salvation. Stating that salvation alone cannot save us. Which has caused nothing but wars between rivalry.
We are told that due to the OT of Adam and Eve that Eve had sinned and that mankind was doomed to Hell. Which of course is a Sulphur pit of Gehenna outside Jerusalem. Hell in fact meaning Earth or to be buried....a decomposition area. Two thousand years later a savour came to bore our sins and take us to Heaven. This is where 'catch twenty two' comes in, because NO ONE IS GOOD ENOUGH to enter heaven because we still carry the sin of Adam and Eve two thousand years earlier.
In actual fact, all Jesus wanted was to believe in him and accept that he was the one and only savour. This in return, meant that no matter how much sin was later committed....that it did not matter. The Catholics had confession after confession to allow their subjects to go to Heaven no matter how many times they may have murdered.
In retrospect a good person who still had the weight of sin attached from 4000 years ago would go to Hell no matter how good they became.
It makes a mockery out of forgiveness and the one true God who teaches forgiveness can destroy a person for merely believing that UFOS are good. If I can forgive and my God cannot...then this is NOT MY GOD.
Progress is to allow us to have our own minds and not to stifle the flow of knowledge by some forsaken prophesy that blackmails us into fear. Yet we are told that our mind is corrupt and not capable of logical thinking because it had sinned 4000 years earlier. That any decision that we take against believing in Christ as being the one and only god is by way of satanic intervention. As slavery by force and not free will...as to introduce fear into believing differently is a sin against God because he does not want us to think as people? How is that?
If by introducing FEAR to a situation...this is not enlightenment but a degenerative process like the bark of a dog at the gate. Mankind should not be controlled by fear, but by love.
If that be the case, then no greater love have our brothers than to watch mankind despite all the hostility towards their cause. As neither have they or the angels before them have proclaimed their UFO glory as they suffer in silence as they had done so many thousands of years before. That to me is a sign of love. To others it may be an omen of doom?
As they cause here justifies the means. That to crucify without cause is a bad thing...and that no justification can ever be attained by the way that we see things?
UFOS have always been ominous. Christianity in general condemns UFOS because it claims it misinterprets the word of God.
The bible is such that God created the universe and the Earth and then mankind. In other words, there cannot be anything greater than man, else God would have said so. In fact he did. The angels mean messenger and the gods in the bible are numerous in many ways. Such as Elohim, Jehovah, El-Shaddai, Yahweh and Adonal. Ezekiel explains them in great detail.
In actual fact the bible is full of UFOS from Flying Chariots to pillars of fire.
Even Isaiah 60:8 "Who are these that fly like a cloud, and like doves to their windows?"
The bible is a magnificent book.....it is the PRIESTS who twisted it around by preaching Hell fire as to line their own pockets. The Cluniac Monasteries of many years gone by, proclaimed the religion in it's natural form They were the true Catholics who believed in reincarnation.
Without bible bashing (I have said my peace) there are always going to be counter arguments. Yet it surprises me why people will believe and accept the word of others a 'million years apart' when they cannot see and judge things with their own eyes?
If we say that our views are faulty and that we must have 'blind faith' then everything we say is without credence. There has to be reasoning.
I have to agree that this is the end of times. Although we have heard it so many times before...that 'The End is Nigh' ...this cannot go on.
We are in dangerous times and things are getting worse.
I have been told that I going to go to Hell for believing in the way that I do. UFOS have saved my life and have treated me as their friend. They are here to save society from itself. It is too late....
Satan is doing a magnificent job. The illuminati is as healthy as ever with more Christian virtues feeding the war machine. Like it has for hundreds of years before. Fighting Muslim against Christian and Christian against Christian. That even they cannot agree within themselves as to expect others. Then again, it has nothing to do with religion but what these religions represent. Anyway.....
Regards
George
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johnd
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Post by johnd on Dec 29, 2016 14:43:35 GMT 1
Hi George
Yea the BVM called UFO's some of the false miracles of are time.On the programme Monsters & Mysteries shown in the UK earlier this year on the Men In Black,Indrid Cold who flew a UFO was eager for Mr Darrenberger to report the incident to the authorities, hardly hiding.At Gulf Breeeze crowds would gather to see the strange lights over the bay, almost like a light show. As stated from what was said on the subject at Bayside, the object i believe is to make us believe we are being visited by benign alien beings so that when the christian church is Raptured a ready explanation can be given for the disappearance of so many. I believe in all this time there is no actual evidence that these so called aliens have ever made contact with the authorities, just speculation and conspiracy theories.The men in black were shown to be of a demonic nature on the programme, on one occasion a Pastor was looking into a case with two others when the crucifix on the wall fell and a black winged shadow appeared in its place. As the BVM says they are used to confound & confuse, she said if you wanted one to leave an area then to use christian prayer as they are from hell it creates noise in there minds and after a while they want to flee from it.I believe they can probably shape shift to act look more like aliens. From Wendy Alecs books they have labs in hell and all the knowledge of the supernatural that they brought down with them. In terms of the soul, the BVM urges us to daily prayer and a relationship with God so your name will be written in the Book Of Life, i assume many christian believers have an open mind when it comes to extraterrestrial life,i myself did for some 20 years.No the key to saving the soul is to have a relationship with him,finding his will for you and all the good that will come from that. Must go now, hope this helps and i wish you a happy New Year.
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Post by georgek on Dec 29, 2016 20:18:12 GMT 1
Aww...John! Just when I thought we were getting somewhere with this chemical plant sighting. You do realise that Earth/Martian relationships will again be severed when they read your report ? We were expecting a Martian Turkey for the New Year. (they are difficult to catch, as they have three legs) Looks like it will be chicken and salad again
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Post by johnd on Nov 20, 2018 11:32:38 GMT 1
Given what was said at Bayside & what the trusted seers like Jonathan Cahn are saying I believe the Rapture will take place within the next 3 to 5 years. My favoured year is 2021 as it will be 40 years since she first appeared there and she said it would be the last time she would appear in the world before the end. Also on the Monsters & Mysteries programme Endrid Cold the supposed ET was eager for the chap he appeared to to tell the authorities. When a pastor was looking into a case with 2 others the crucifix fell off the wall & a small winged figure appeared in its place.
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Post by ronologic on Nov 21, 2018 8:07:21 GMT 1
johnd and georgek,
What I am reading here is more a matter of theological debating between you two, and this site is dedicated to "research" on the ufo phenomena.
ron
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Post by johnd on Nov 21, 2018 17:40:20 GMT 1
I agree, my point is that UFO's are supernatural & not extraterrestrial and I have evidenced above why I believe this to be true, I certainly did'ent want to get into a theological debate as I am no theologian.
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Post by johnd on Nov 22, 2018 17:41:03 GMT 1
I would just like to add that when the UFO & Consciousness show came to Manchester in 2017, it took place right across the road from where I had witnessed the UFO in 1999, I believe this was Providence at work.
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Post by ronologic on Nov 22, 2018 19:20:44 GMT 1
johnd
As I stated, this site is dedicated to “Research” that includes utilizing empirical evidence information acquired by scientific observation and/or experimentation. Scientists employ this system as a tool to record and analyze data. The process is a central part of the scientific method. As in your case, reflection alone is not considered evidence for the truth or falsity of some your propositions. However, you may post your “beliefs” in the “Off Topic” section.
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Post by johnd on Nov 28, 2018 13:55:50 GMT 1
I would just like to recommend a book on the subject called UFO's What On Earth Is Going On by John Weldon 1975
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