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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2011 3:02:44 GMT 1
Hello All, I was looking at some UFO pix on this Forum and ran across one of the more well known ones of the UFO flap over Washington D.C. While looking into it I came across this Google Image: www.historylecture.org/salmeorbs.jpgI had spent a couple of decades a few miles north of Salem and knew the profile and location of the power plant. There was a rather famous roast beef sandwich drive thru that stayed open 'til 2 am and the bar crowd would sit in the lot. ea,t and watch the powerplant across the harbor. At night it was about all one could see. Anyway, when I ran across this photo recently I was studying it for anomalies but what I'm wondering is, since it is a daytime shot, can anyone determine whether or not there are any reflections, other than perhaps the pale sun on a cloudy day, to help prove that this is not a hoax? Of all the photos I've come across I have never before seen this one.
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Post by Electra on Jun 24, 2011 5:20:47 GMT 1
It looks like photo damage to me. The photo is almost 60 years old and to survive that long with out some sort of damage or deterioration is unlikely. Or it occurred during the development. I don't think that the anomalies that we see are actually not in the sky. The shade of white of the anomalies does not fit with rest of the image. All the other shades of white are showing as gray/white. I have posted it here for easier viewing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2011 6:28:05 GMT 1
Hello Electra,
Ah, the bewitching eye! I've imagined the photo without the UAPs and for the life of me cannot reason out why, if the "objects" weren't there, the photographer would take a picture of such a boring scene. I mean look at it. Is there anything at all of any interest there? Not really. The second car nearest looks to have reflections on the trunk as well as the top and the second car from the fer end appears to have reflections in it's rear glass.
I have been a B&W FILM photographer for some time now and am quite familiar with lens flare (Sun's at wrong angle) and the specular artifacts one gets from shiny metals as well as glass. In fact a good polarizing filter can eliminate the glare from glass but is useless on say chrome finishes. I'm going to see if there is more history on this item before saying too much more. Thanks for your input.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2011 13:11:36 GMT 1
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Post by uforn on Jun 24, 2011 13:46:36 GMT 1
Ahh the Salem Massachusetts UFO photo which was took on July 16, 1952, by a U.S. Coast Guard seaman named Shel R. Alpert who was stationed at Air Station Salem on Winter Island.
J Allen Hynek has referred to this photograph as a “widely publicized case”, a “classic” that “has made the rounds in just about every magazine and book on the subject”.
This photograph was listed by Project Blue Book as “unidentified”.
The UFO's in this photo are almost identical to the famous UFO's photographed over the White House in 1952.
The photo has been extensively analysed and not proven to have been HOAXED.
Its not a reflection from the cars hiflier as the sky is overcast, however the photo was took through glass, it could well be a reflection from inside but again this is not proven and just a suggestion.
I can see your concerns about the contrast Electra, but the objects are much brighter than the overcast background as seen in the photo, remember there was no photoshop back in 1952
Another suggestion is that it could have been a double exposure, again this has not been proven.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2011 15:38:40 GMT 1
Hello uforn,
AH, again. My post referred to the phenom being reflected ON the cars' surfaces not the other way round. And yes, I certainly wouldn't rule out an image reflected from inside onto the glass. If this is not hoaxed then I don't know if because so little apparently was known about the true nature of such things that I'd go outside to take the pic either! Being in the armed forces could mean bravery through training but I gather not necessarily stupidity! I did think the anecdote from the guy supposedly in Quincy, Mass was interesting though. But then again people lie.
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Post by Electra on Jun 24, 2011 18:36:06 GMT 1
I am sorry, Judge, I didn't make myself more clearer to my reference to the contrast on the photo, I know photoshop wasn't around in 1952. The white of the anomalies is much brighter than the rest of the whites in the photo and has I suggested that one of my theories was that it could have happened during the development of the photograph. The white blotches could be the colour of the paper on which it was printed.
Just another observation, hiflier, you ask if anyone can see any reflection in the cars of the anomalies, I am not sure that I can. I would think that something that bright in the sky would certainly show some reflection not only on the cars but it should light up the surrounding area, which it does not.
The shadow on the ground from the building from where the photograph was taken should not be there if the lights were as bright as portrayed in this photo. Plus the trees are still in shadow to the onlooker and the anomalies appear to be in front of them.
That's just my two penneth anyway.
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Post by uforn on Jun 24, 2011 18:54:49 GMT 1
I am sorry, Judge, I didn't make myself more clearer to my reference to the contrast on the photo, I know photoshop wasn't around in 1952. The white of the anomalies is much brighter than the rest of the whites in the photo and has I suggested that one of my theories was that it could have happened during the development of the photograph. The white blotches could be the colour of the paper on which it was printed. Just another observation, hiflier, you ask if anyone can see any reflection in the cars of the anomalies, I am not sure that I can. I would think that something that bright in the sky would certainly show some reflection not only on the cars but it should light up the surrounding area, which it does not. The shadow on the ground from the building from where the photograph was taken should not be there if the lights were as bright as portrayed in this photo. Plus the trees are still in shadow to the onlooker and the anomalies appear to be in front of them. That's just my two penneth anyway. I can see your point Electra, I think it has alot to do with the camera to be honest, I also think Dr. J Allen Hynek would have gone over this pic with a fine tooth comb, Its a very good pic imo and one thats not easily dissmissed as a HOAX or a reflection, I also dont see a reflection from the cars
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2011 23:23:14 GMT 1
Hello All,
My previous post pinpointed the areas on the csrs that look as though the "objects" appear to be reflected. The second car nearest has two at least- very small and close together. The Sun at the time these photos were taken was a bit low in the W. S.W but still up at that July time of year. Also the sky does look a little overcast which would mute shadows so that there would be more diffused light as not shapt contrasts or long shadows. One can even see the Sull on some of the cars' surfaces as well. Being a B&W photographer has made me a stickler for light and detail, especially in the area of reflected light and shadow detail. And as I said I use film, I do not at present own a digital camera- even a point and shoot although they are very handy if one wishes to previsualize the color scene in a B&W format before using up valuable film. Processing isn't cheap!
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Post by ronologic on Jul 6, 2011 5:25:17 GMT 1
I have been fortunate enough to have four sightings and two of them appeared as in this picture.
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Post by etihunter on Jul 26, 2011 20:50:39 GMT 1
Ha
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Post by uforn on Jul 26, 2011 21:35:49 GMT 1
Dont tell me you went to the trouble to sign up just to post "Ha" Surely youve got more than that in your vocabulary ? Welcome to UFORN
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Post by etihunter on Jul 27, 2011 1:54:13 GMT 1
Sorry about that slip of the mouse when I got called away. Has anyone else looked at this photo using a photo program to greatly reduce the gamma?
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Post by uforn on Jul 27, 2011 9:30:50 GMT 1
Sorry about that slip of the mouse when I got called away. Has anyone else looked at this photo using a photo program to greatly reduce the gamma? No I dont think they have etihunter
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