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Post by Electra on Jul 6, 2011 23:06:54 GMT 1
Alien Artefact Discovered in RENDLESHAM Forest HOAX!!! The following article was brought to my attention by our very own meldrew. We thought it worthy of starting a thread on this. We both agree that it is probably a hoax, but wanted to see if anything can be found to validate the authenticity of the artifact. There is very little information to go with the following photgraphs. Which in my mind, shows lack of imagination to the story. The only text that accompanies the photographs is as follows: ..... "....I felt a strange urge to go out there and lo [sic] and behold this is what I found”.
The ‘object’ was discovered last tuesday, the 16th June, in the forest, “lying on top of an odd looking flat rock. It feels metalic but it is heavier than it should be. It has a pattern on it which turned out to be binary code.”The rest of the page covers the Wikipedia entry for the "Rendlesham Forest Incident" So what I think is, that if something like this had been found in such a renounced area as Rendlesham, there would be a widespread viral news article going by now. But as it stands, doing a quick search, there is only the unknown site digitalseance.wordpress.com. that covers it. The next step now is to try and dechipher any sense from the code, which will be difficult as there is only a portion that is visible. Source: digitalseance.wordpress.com
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Post by meldrew on Jul 6, 2011 23:35:01 GMT 1
I notice its a 7 digit binary code, and if I recall judge don't you have a program on binary, intriguing, could it be from a machine of some sort, it kind of reminds me of an early computer part from the Bletchley Park era.
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Post by uforn on Jul 7, 2011 10:21:30 GMT 1
I notice its a 7 digit binary code, and if I recall judge don't you have a program on binary, intriguing, could it be from a machine of some sort, it kind of reminds me of an early computer part from the Bletchley Park era. Yeah ive got one m8 but there is an online one the same one used by Nick Ciske to decipher Jim Pennistons binary code. nickciske.com/tools/binary.phpAs for this alien artifact, I cant find anything on this other than the link in the op. Information is terrible. Who's to say its alien in origin ? My opinion is this is a HOAX. If you look at the second close up image it looks almost brand new, If this had been outside for any length of time it would most definately have weathering on it ( unless it has been polished ) Plus the lack of any information makes this very questionable indeed. I think someone is trying a fast one at JP's expense.
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Post by aurora1876 on Jul 7, 2011 11:14:15 GMT 1
Who's to say its alien in origin ? My opinion is this is a HOAX. If you look at the second close up image it looks almost brand new, If this had been outside for any length of time it would most definately have weathering on it ( unless it has been polished ) Plus the lack of any information makes this very questionable indeed. I think someone is trying a fast one at JP's expense. Not that I disagree, but if this was supposed to be material of an "alien" source, surely it would be able to withstand any external weather conditions? Most material found which is claimed as part of an alien craft is usually unable to be damaged by conventional methods. Would this not apply here? (Just to confirm I think this is a hoax too).
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Post by uforn on Jul 7, 2011 11:40:21 GMT 1
Who's to say its alien in origin ? My opinion is this is a HOAX. If you look at the second close up image it looks almost brand new, If this had been outside for any length of time it would most definately have weathering on it ( unless it has been polished ) Plus the lack of any information makes this very questionable indeed. I think someone is trying a fast one at JP's expense. Not that I disagree, but if this was supposed to be material of an "alien" source, surely it would be able to withstand any external weather conditions? Most material found which is claimed as part of an alien craft is usually unable to be damaged by conventional methods. Would this not apply here? (Just to confirm I think this is a hoax too). Good point raised, however if these aliens in there crafts are traveling the stars and planets, there crafts would be made to withstand Radiation, there is no weathering in space. Our planet has its own atmosphere ( space doesnt ) in which weathering affects all materials when left for some time, you even get mould / moss growing on things left alone. Are you refering to the supposed Roswell Debris ? As this material apparantly couldnt be bent, cut or dented etc. There was never anything mentioned of weathering on the debris. Thats not to say they have some kind of nano technology which is programmed to self clean, ( but would this programme still work if it wasnt connected to the crafts main computers ? ) this is pure speculation tho This Image below of the aritfact looks to me like its just come off the production line.
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Post by Electra on Jul 7, 2011 12:50:44 GMT 1
I have done a little research into the background of the uploader of the article, known as digitalseance. His occupation(s) are as described on Linkedin is I have left a comment on his site, asking a couple of questions. The direct approach should be the way to get any answers and is as follows: I suggest that if any of you want to ask him any questions, this would be a good approach.
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Post by uforn on Jul 7, 2011 12:55:33 GMT 1
I have done a little research into the background of the uploader of the article, known as digitalseance. His occupation(s) are as described on Linkedin is I have left a comment on his site, asking a couple of questions. The direct approach should be the way to get any answers and is as follows: I suggest that if any of you want to ask him any questions, this would be a good approach. Good work Elektra to be honest I wouldnt have went to the trouble, but hey you have Lets see what response you get from this before we chuck any more questions at him
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Post by prettyboyfloyd on Jul 8, 2011 8:06:14 GMT 1
It just keeps on getting betterer lol on Rendlesham with these Binary codes.Mel & Judge i do believe without a doubt.Rendlesham happend.This is just another cash in on another tour of the event lol.Im with you aurora on this one.Do you honestly think the military wouldnt have found this Aftefact' after scanning the ground from head to toe after the incident?Then after years found again.I highly bloody doubt it. Cheers:Prettyboyfloyd
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Post by ronologic on Jul 8, 2011 20:09:23 GMT 1
If it looks too good to be true then it probably is. My opinion; terra firma in origin. Besides, think of it, Rendlesham was not an accident site! What? ET took a stroll and this thing fell out of his pocket? Hmmm. Musta hadda a hole in it!!
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Post by Electra on Jul 8, 2011 21:45:52 GMT 1
Digitalseance has been kind enough to reply to my question, he has posted the original email from the person who claims to have found the artefact, who sent the email and photo's to an undisclosed remote viewer and is as follows. Below is the reply from a remote viewer who was given the photos and email… Source:
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Post by uforn on Jul 8, 2011 22:22:32 GMT 1
Well thats abit better than what we had to go off, I still think its a HOAX lol. This remote viewer thing is just ridiculous if you ask me
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Post by meldrew on Jul 9, 2011 1:29:56 GMT 1
good work electra, I wonder where matey the tight arse finder lives, as I live near the forest and could meet him and look at this object myself, as for the dude who has remote viewing ;D. is there any chance of some one having a go at deciphering what can be seen on the object ? I feel there is too much shouting hoax and not enough investigation, excluding electra
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Post by uforn on Jul 9, 2011 1:35:05 GMT 1
good work electra, I wonder where matey the tight arse finder lives, as I live near the forest and could meet him and look at this object myself, as for the dude who has remote viewing ;D. is there any chance of some one having a go at deciphering what can be seen on the object ? I feel there is too much shouting hoax and not enough investigation, excluding electra Why dont you take the time to get the code off the pics and ill decipher it if I can ?
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Post by meldrew on Jul 9, 2011 2:09:22 GMT 1
good work electra, I wonder where matey the tight arse finder lives, as I live near the forest and could meet him and look at this object myself, as for the dude who has remote viewing ;D. is there any chance of some one having a go at deciphering what can be seen on the object ? I feel there is too much shouting hoax and not enough investigation, excluding electra Why dont you take the time to get the code off the pics and ill decipher it if I can ? ok, it may take an hour or so.
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Post by Electra on Jul 9, 2011 2:10:04 GMT 1
good work electra, I wonder where matey the tight arse finder lives, as I live near the forest and could meet him and look at this object myself, as for the dude who has remote viewing ;D. is there any chance of some one having a go at deciphering what can be seen on the object ? I feel there is too much shouting hoax and not enough investigation, excluding electra Why dont you take the time to get the code off the pics and ill decipher it if I can ? Thank's Judge, but the problem is the object is described as a cylinder, so a lot of the code is out of sight, and also this being blocks of 7 digits and not 8 when decoded only produces junk. But saying that when I put the blocks into the translator singly, they related to letters. but in no legible readable words.
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Post by ronologic on Jul 14, 2011 3:41:09 GMT 1
Electra, what is the issue with 8 digits?
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Post by uforn on Jul 14, 2011 12:43:09 GMT 1
Electra, what is the issue with 8 digits? Thats what I was thinking as ASCII can decode both 7 & 8 Bit code. Here's the alphabet in Binary code: Letter Binary Code A 01000001 B 01000010 C 01000011 D 01000100 E 01000101 F 01000110 G 01000111 H 01001000 I 01001001 J 01001010 K 01001011 L 01001100 M 01001101 N 01001110 O 01001111 P 01010000 Q 01010001 R 01010010 S 01010011 T 01010100 U 01010101 V 01010110 W 01010111 X 01011000 Y 01011001 Z 01011010 Letter Binary Code a 01100001 b 01100010 c 01100011 d 01100100 e 01100101 f 01100110 g 01100111 h 01101000 i 01101001 j 01101010 k 01101011 l 01101100 m 01101101 n 01101110 o 01101111 p 01110000 q 01110001 r 01110010 s 01110011 t 01110100 u 01110101 v 01110110 w 01110111 x 01111000 y 01111001 z 01111010
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Post by ronologic on Jul 14, 2011 23:18:14 GMT 1
Thanks uforn. I've ofter wondered what the 0 & 1 indicated. Now I can tell jokes to my computer!
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Post by Electra on Jul 15, 2011 3:06:20 GMT 1
Thank's Judge for your input. however not only are there 7 digit numbers, there are also 6 digit numbers in this code. Binary is a base of two. eg: 0 and 1. What we have here are 18 sets of 6 digits and 64 sets of 7 digits. Base 6 is known as Senary and base 7 is known as Septenary. It is Octal, base 8 which is used when converting binary, base 2 into text. This is what was making this difficult to decode. However I spent most of Thursday looking into this and finally in the early hours of Friday morning, I finished my research on my findings. You can read what I uncovered here. The outcome is surprising and not what was to be expected as to what the code depicts. dum dum dum dum,
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Post by Aelius on Jul 15, 2011 7:03:00 GMT 1
Seems what we are looking at are DNA code. Electra has done excellent work with this project.
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Post by uforn on Jul 15, 2011 13:38:46 GMT 1
Seems what we are looking at are DNA code. Electra has done excellent work with this project. Where is this excellent work ? I dont see it here How can this code be DNA code please enlighten us
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Post by Electra on Jul 15, 2011 16:39:49 GMT 1
Well here is the results of my research that had my head in a spin all day. The code is not Binary to text as we were all expecting, so read on to see what I uncovered. WOW..totally WOW... I am not understanding what I have found here, as I am no professor but what I think I have found in the code is "The Mathematical Structure of the Genetic Code" As there were a mix of both Senary and Septanary codes, It was obvious that it could not be decoded as a whole. Last night, talking with Aelius in our chat room at AE, we decided that it might make more sense to take off the first "1's" at the first digit of all the septenary codes, ie all those blocks that contained 7 digits and removing the first "1", hence leaving the entire blocks of code as Senary code, ie all blocks now contain 6 digits. I chose to enter a select few of the blocks of the digits into google and what I found was a PDF Document entitled "Biosemiotics 1. The Codes of Life. by Marcello Barbieri (Editor) subtitled, "The Rules of Macroevolution. So now with all the extra "1's" removed the code now looks as follows. 110010 110100 101000 101101 100001 101110 100000 100000 001001 100000 100001 101101 100000 100110 110010 101111 000111 110010 100101 100101 110100 101001 101110 100111 110011 100000 000101 100001 110010 110100 101000 101101 100001 101110 100001 100000 001001 100000 100001 101101 100000 100110 110010 101111 000111 110010 100101 100101 110100 101001 101110 100111 110011 100000 000101 100001 110010 110100 101000 101101 100001 101110 100001 100000 001001 100000 100001 101101 100000 100110 110010 101111 000111 110010 100101 100101 110100 101001 101110 100111 110011 100000 000101 100001 |
And by checking several of the codes above with the table below you will see that they are entered in the Mathematical Structure of the Genetic Code. Now I do not understand what I am seeing here, but hopefully some Genius can compare the Code above and see if it is an exact match to the table below. Or could there be an addition to the code? If so Could this really be a message from the Extraterrestrials telling us their Genetic Code? So now we have the following translation of digital code. CUA UGU CUU CUU CAA GUU UCC AGG CAG ACA CAU GCU UGU CAA CGG UCU GCU UCC ACA ACA AAU ACA GCU UCU ACA CUC UGU UGA<stop>
CUA UGU CUU CUU CAA GUU UCC AGG CAG ACA CAU GCU UGU CAA CGG UCU GCU UCC GCU ACA AAU ACA GCU UCU ACA CUC UGU UGA<stop>
CUA UGU CUU CUU CAA GUU UCC AGG CAG ACA CAU GCU UGU CAA CGG UCU GCU UCC GCU ACA AAU ACA GCU UCU ACA CUC UGU UGA<stop> |
NB: The three blocks of code above are Duplicates of the same code. Sp it seems that only one block of code is needed here. Which would suggest that the original code on the artifact, is duplicated all over the cylinder, with the added "1", which I have deleted to be a break in the code. Start/stop codons Translation starts with a chain initiation codon (start codon). Unlike stop codons, the codon alone is not sufficient to begin the process. Nearby sequences (such as the Shine-Dalgarno sequence in E. coli) and initiation factors are also required to start translation. The most common start codon is AUG which is read as methionine or, in bacteria, as formylmethionine. Alternative start codons (depending on the organism), include "GUG" or "UUG"; these codons normally represent valine and leucine, respectively, but as a start codon, they are translated as methionine or formylmethionine. The three stop codons have been given names: UAG is amber, UGA is opal (sometimes also called umber), and UAA is ochre. "Amber" was named by discoverers Richard Epstein and Charles Steinberg after their friend Harris Bernstein, whose last name means "amber" in German. The other two stop codons were named "ochre" and "opal" in order to keep the "color names" theme. Stop codons are also called "termination" or "nonsense" codons. They signal release of the nascent polypeptide from the ribosome because there is no cognate tRNA that has anticodons complementary to these stop signals, and so a release factor binds to the ribosome instead But in our code I cannot determine a start codon, which seems to be missing. If the Start code is CUA is this recognised as a start code?, Looking at the following Table: UCA is Leucine/Leu/L, My question is, is it a typical start to any known DNA? Genetic Code Amino Acids Alanine ........ Ala A.... GCU, GCC, GCA, GCG Arginine ....... Arg R ... CGU, CGC, CGA, CGG, AGA,AGG Asparagine .... Asn N ... AAU, AAC Aspartic acid ..Asp D ... GAU, GAC Cysteine ....... Cys C ... UGU, UGC Glutamine ..... Gln Q ... CAA, CAG Glutamic acid ..Glu E ... GAA, GAG Glycine ......... Gly G ... GGU, GGC, GGA, GGG Histidine ....... His H ... CAU, CAC Isoleucine ..... Ile I .... AUU, AUC, AUA Leucine ........ Leu L ... UUA, UUG, CUU, CUC, CUA, CUG Lysine .......... Lys K ....AAA, AAG Methionine ... Met M ... AUG Phenylalanine .Phe F ... UUU, UUC Proline ......... Pro P ... CCU, CCC, CCA, CCG Serine .......... Ser S ... UCU, UCC, UCA, UCG, AGU,AGC Threonine ..... Thr T ... ACU, ACC, ACA, ACG Tryptophan ... Trp W .. UGG Tyrosine ....... Tyr Y ... UAU, UAC Valine .......... Val V ... GUU, GUC, GUA, GUG Start ........... AUG * Stop ............ UAG (amber), UGA (opal), UAA (ochre) |
So now we have one block of code which is that I now recognise as mRNA. (shown below) CUA UGU CUU CUU CAA GUU UCC AGG CAG ACA CAU GCU UGU CAA CGG UCU GCU UCC GCU ACA AAU ACA GCU UCU ACA CUC UGU UGA |
The same block of code converted to tRNA (shown below) GAU ACA GAA GAA GUU GAU CAA AGG UGU UCC GUC UGU GUA CGA ACA GUU GCC CGA AGG UGU UUU UGU CGA AGA UGU GAG ACA ACU |
The same block of code converted to DNA (shown below) GAT ACA GAA GAA GTT CAA AGG TCC GTC TGT GTA CGA ACA GTT GCC AGA CGA AGG CGA TGT TTA TGT CGA AGA TGT GAG ACA ACT |
I came across a searchable database www.staff.uni-bayreuth.de Which is a database where you can enter the code, but unfortunately, the code we have here was not recognised. So I then found an alternative searchable data entry database that was more up to date. arsa.ddbj.nig.ac.jp/arsa/search/AdvancedSearchI entered the whole code, but it was to large for the program to handle, it can only hold 20 words, whereas in our code we have 28, so I took away the last eight pieces of the code and got a result, I then entered the last 8 pieces of the code and also got a result and the results were the same. What the result shows here are the genetic code for Plant life. Namely: 1. Arabidopsis thaliana is a small flowering plant that is widely used as a model organism in plant biology. Arabidopsis is a member of the mustard (Brassicaceae) family, which includes cultivated species such as cabbage and radish. Although not of major agronomic significance, Arabidopsis offers important advantages for basic research in genetics and molecular biology: Approximately 115 Mb of the 125 Mb genome has been sequenced and annotated (Nature, 408:796-815; 2000). Extensive genetic and physical maps of all 5 chromosomes are available. The life cycle is short--about 6 weeks from germination to seed maturation. Seed production is prolific and the plant is easily cultivated in restricted space. Transformation is efficient utilizing Agrobacterium tumefaciens. A large number of mutant lines and genomic resources is available. A. thaliana is studied by a multinational research community in academia, government and industry. Such advantages have made Arabidopsis a model organism for studies of the cellular and molecular biology of flowering plants. The Arabidopsis Information Resource (TAIR) collects and makes available the information arising from these efforts. For more information about this organism and the resources that have been developed for use by the community, please visit this website: www.arabidopsis.org/. 2. Oryza sativa (common names include Asian Rice) is the plant species known in English as rice. Oryza sativa has the smallest cereal genome consisting of just 430Mb across 12 chromosomes. It is renowned for being easy to genetically modify and is a model organism for cereal biology. Surprisingly also listed amongst the code in the database are "Bacterium": 1. Urinary tract infections (UTIs) affect millions of people each year. Escherichia coli is the most common organism associated with asymptomatic bacteriuria (ABU) in humans. Persons affected by ABU may carry a particular E. coli strain for extended periods of time without any symptoms. In contrast to uropathogenic E. coli (UPEC) that cause symptomatic UTI, very little is known about the mechanisms by which these strains colonize the urinary tract. Here, we have investigated the growth characteristics in human urine as well as adhesin repertoire of nine ABU strains; the ability of ABU strains to compete against the UPEC strain CFT073 was also studied. The different ABU strains displayed a wide variety of the measured characteristics. Half of the ABU strains displayed functional type 1 fimbriae while only one expressed functional P fimbriae. A good correlation between the growth rate of a particular strain and the survival of the strain in competition against CFT073 was observed. Our results support the notion that for strains with reduced capacity to express fimbriae, the ability to grow fast in human urine becomes crucial for colonization of the urinary tract. [...]2. Shigella flexneri is a species of Gram-negative bacteria in the genus Shigella that can cause diarrhea in humans. There are several different serogroups of Shigella; S. flexneri belongs to group B. S. flexneri infections can usually be treated with antibiotics although some strains have become resistant. Less severe cases are not usually treated because they become more resistant in the future. [...] 3. Methanothermobacter thermautotrophicus is a methanogen which produces methane. ======== So if I am correct on my finding's, and the code pertains to bio-molecular physics. Why would the code be etched on to a cylindrical object and left on a flat rock in Rendlesham Forest? Could it indeed be an Alien artefact? Could the aliens be studying our ecosystem and recording the data on an instrument, such as the one found in the forest? Or is there a simpler explanation to what the object is and how and why the data is stored upon it? ~Electra~
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Post by uforn on Jul 15, 2011 17:15:05 GMT 1
Interesting Eletra, However I think your way off and this is a Total Hoax!!!I did my own Research this morning and deciided to get the opinion of an Expert in Binary Code. I contacted Nick Ciske the original decoder of Jim Pennistons Binary Code. Here's his reply: Nick CiskeThe groupings would indicate 7-bit ASCII (an older format, circa 1963). The 6 bit groups would mess up decoding from that point on, as the decoder expects all groups to be the same length.
My converter does 8-bit ASCII, hence the gibberish. I ran it through a 7bit version I made to test the notebook binary ... and got gibberish again (see attached).
After padding the 6 digit groups to 7 digits (adding a 0 to the beginning - this does not change the result for that group) and removing the extra bits from the 2 longer groups (corrupting those groups, but preserving byte order for the rest of the message) I got letters that roughly say "Greetings Earthlings!" out of order - which would point to: the groups being out of order somehow (as transcribed from the object). See attached PDF (adjusted)
My guess is it is supposed to say "Greetings Earthlings!" in a repeating pattern around the cylinder. It may be intended to be read top to bottom? Hard to tell from the 2 pictures of the object.
Looks like hoax to me -- I'd guess someone saw the show and decided to leave an artifact in the woods (or claim to find it). The inconsistencies with the notebook message would indicate it's not the same source (whoever the initial source was).
It's not hard to engrave binary on a cylinder (or flat sheet bent into a cylinder) with modern CNC machines, and their relative ubiquity (I'd guess either the person works with a CNC machine, or has access to a maker lab with one).
FYI- The binary in the notebook was 8 bit encoded, left to right, and plain text (from what I could tell) -- all caps. No discernible punctuation. Nothing like this message.
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Post by Electra on Jul 15, 2011 18:03:57 GMT 1
It was a good idea for you to contact Nick Ciske. But by what I have read in his report, it looks to me like he is not sure what he has found, Although I am not in any doubt that Nick as transcribed this to the best of ability, his results were a scrambled message, and he has rearranged the letters to make sense of it. He does say, "My guess...." which would, to me, tell that he is not sure on the end result. I have contacted Nick myself after reading this, and asked him to look at my findings. So now we play the waiting game for his response.
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Post by uforn on Jul 15, 2011 22:16:01 GMT 1
I tstill stand by my initial thoughts on this being a HOAX, someone has jumped on the bandwagon with this and tryed to get some limelight.
According to Nick the binary is not the same as Jim Pennistons, so I dont see a connection other than its supposed to be binary code.
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Post by flexy123 on Jul 15, 2011 23:06:09 GMT 1
Are you really so dumb that you cannot decode kindergarten-level class "alien code"? This is your "message": rthmran aI amI fro GreeGtingts Easrthmran! aI amI fro GreeGtingts Easrthmran! aI amI fro GreeGtingts Eas I am too lazy to put it in the right order - but next time, maybe put something more intelligent into the message than a lame "Greetings Earthsman, i am from ..." <-- pretty weak and rather boring. (Edit: All you need to do is pad it to 8 bits with 00 and run it through a standard binary converter) Electra, you fail at researching
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Post by ronologic on Jul 16, 2011 0:17:11 GMT 1
Electra, the start/stop codons for translation is a VERY interisting theory. My problem is I keep getting hung up on the fact that Rendlesham was NOT a crash site, so how can this be considered an alien artifact or am I reading something into this or am I missing something? My guess is HOAX.
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Post by uforn on Jul 16, 2011 13:19:01 GMT 1
Electra, the start/stop codons for translation is a VERY interisting theory. My problem is I keep getting hung up on the fact that Rendlesham was NOT a crash site, so how can this be considered an alien artifact or am I reading something into this or am I missing something? My guess is HOAX. Your right ron Rendlesham wasnt a crash site, something thats been overlooked on this thread. Back in december Jim Penniston mentioned that he had wrote binary numbers down. 6 - 7 months later, low and behold this artifact turns up Youve got to ask yourself why is this not plastered all over the net ? If you do a google search this forum is #1 on the search results for this. Its a HOAX and no matter what you try to do with the apparant Binary Code on the cylinder its not going to mean anything whatsoever. This will be getting moved to the HOAX section very soon unless someone can come up with some good evidence to suggest its real
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Post by Electra on Jul 19, 2011 3:41:32 GMT 1
Today I found the truth behind the shiny binary covered object. It is a total HOAX. as was suspected at the onset of this thread. The DNA and coding for the binary that I found, is purely COINCIDENTAL. This is because, the numbers on the object, correspond with the Genetic Code for Amino Acid. The original website where the article was found has suddenly decided to come clean and own up and say that **THIS IS A SILLY, HOAX**The original photograph was digitally manipulated to show the alleged artifact. The original object held between the forefinger and thumb is nothing more than a bullet shell. The whole article was just an endeavour for an advertising campaign. The eye of the cyclone website has LOST all CREDITABILITY now as far as I am concerned. To offer a claim in the way that it was presented and then actually say that it is nothing more than a HOAX. How can anything on that site be taken seriously now?. I will not waste my time going there again. Shame on you P C of Jacksonville, Florida. So this can now be thrown into the Hoax Bin.
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Post by uforn on Jul 19, 2011 12:46:23 GMT 1
There's a surprise ....... NOT. I knew this was a HOAX from the offset which is why I hardly bothered with it. Ive been around the scene too long to get sucked into stuff like this. Should have moved this to HOAX section the other day when I was going to
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