Westall ‘UFO’ incident was actually government radiation testing, reports reveal
According to this Article the Westall School sighting / landing of 1966 that was witnessed by over 200 students and teachers was an errant high altitude balloon used to monitor radiation levels.
The HIBAL program was a joint US-Australian initiative to monitor atmospheric radiation levels using large silver balloons equipped with sensors between 1960 and 1969.
Documents held by the National Archives and former Department of Supply indicate one test balloon launched from Mildura may have been blown off course and came down in Clayton South in a paddock near Westall High School, alarming and baffling hundreds of eyewitnesses, including teachers and students.
I dont buy this explanation, the witnesses were quite close to the object Im sure at least 1 of them would have been able to identify it as a Balloon.
The article goes on to say that the Documentation on the test flights of the balloon have either been lost or destroyed.
But despite government archival records showing the results of numerous HIBAL test flights, the paperwork for the launches scheduled for the day before Westall appear to have been lost or destroyed.
“What is strikingly missing is a memo reporting on the actual four launches for April 1966, one of which was scheduled for 5 April 1966, the day before Westall.
“So we have no (official) knowledge of where flight 292 went.”
How convenient, they cant even prove the test flight even took place
So am I supposed to believe that "...over 200 students and teachers..." got it all wrong? Really?
Hi ron, Ive just looked over this thread Australias Roswell Westall 1966 where there is much more info on this case, Ive found from one of the links a short newspaper cutting dated 7th April 1966 The Age which suggests it may have been a Balloon so I dont think we should be dismissing this theory so fast.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Academic throws light on 40-year-old UFO mystery October 2, 2005
Just what did flash out of the sky and into the lives of hundreds that April day? Stephen Cauchi reports. A CANBERRA academic is investigating one of Australia's most compelling UFO mysteries, a sighting by hundreds of people in the Melbourne suburb of Westall on April 6, 1966. More than 200 students and staff from two schools watched as the object landed in a nearby paddock, lifted off and vanished. Shane Ryan, an English lecturer at the University of Canberra, is interviewing dozens of witnesses for a book he hopes to publish on the 40th anniversary of the sighting. Mr Ryan, 38, was alerted to the events in the 1980s by a housemate who was there. Unlike most UFO sightings, the Westall object had a large number of credible witnesses. It was viewed in daylight and attracted a forceful response from police and the RAAF. "It had these rather interesting elements which indicated to me that, unlike some other so-called UFO stories, there was some substance to this," he told The Sunday Age. "I knew the 40th anniversary was coming up next year, so I thought it was timely to do some research on it." Mr Ryan has interviewed about 30 witnesses, mostly former staff and students from the Westall secondary and primary schools. He has tried obtaining police and RAAF reports, but so far with little luck. The story was covered then by Channel Nine, The Age and local newspapers. On the UFO, everyone seems to agree, Mr Ryan says. It was a low-flying, silver/grey shining object, either of classical flying saucer shape or close to it, "a cup turned upside down on a saucer". The students were familiar with light aircraft because the schools were close to Moorabbin Airport. Although the UFO was of similar size, "everyone said straight away that they knew it was not a plane", Mr Ryan said, nor a weather balloon. The object was in view for up to 20 minutes, and many saw it descend. Most agree it landed behind pine trees at the Grange Reserve. Dozens of students ran across what was then an open paddock to the reserve to investigate, but the object had lifted off and vanished. Other details are sketchier. The UFO appears to have left a circle of scorched grass; others say several circles were left in paddocks bordering Grange Reserve. Many witnesses, not all, report seeing aircraft, up to five, trailing the UFO. Some say it made no sound, others say it did. Many reported that police/air force/military personnel inspected the site; some (not all) say the authorities burnt the site. The Dandenong Journal, for which the story was front-page news two weeks in a row, reported that "students and staff have been instructed to 'talk to no-one' about the incident". Nevertheless, one teacher, Andrew Greenwood, gave the paper a detailed account. "It was silvery-grey and seemed to thicken at times," he said. "The thickening was similar to when a disc is turned a little to show the underside." One of the closest witnesses was a boy whose family leased land at Grange Reserve for horses. Shaun Matthews (not a student at Westall) was on holidays and spending time on the land. "I saw the thing come across the horizon and drop down behind the pine trees," he told The Sunday Age this week. "I couldn't tell you what it was. It certainly wasn't a light aircraft or anything of the like … "I saw the thing drop down behind the pine trees and saw it leave again. I couldn't tell you how long it was there for, it was such a long time ago." Mr Matthews, 51 and now living in Greenvale, said the object "went up and off very very rapidly". "I went over and there was a circle in the clearing. It looked like it had been cooked or boiled, not burnt as I remember," he said. "A heap of kids from Westall primary and high school came charging through to see what had happened — 'look at this, look at that, we saw it as well', that sort of thing. It was a bit of a talking point for a couple of days." Mr Matthews said the object, about the size of "two family cars", passed him at a distance of about "four football fields". "It was silvery, but it had a sort-of purple hue to it, very bright, but not bright enough that you couldn't look at it," he said. "I saw that it dropped down behind the trees, and I thought, 'hello, hang on'. A minute or so later, it went straight up, just gone." He said police and other officials interviewed his mother. But he cannot remember them burning the landing site, as others have alleged. And he did not see any light aircraft trailing the object, as others did. "The way this thing moved there is no way it could have been a weather balloon or a light aircraft," he said. "A helicopter? No way — no noise, wrong shape, and it didn't move like it. It came out of the distance, stopped, and then just dropped. "It didn't just sort of cruise and then slightly descend at an angle. It just stopped, dropped, and then went straight up." The Victorian UFO Research Society investigated the incident. VUFORS secretary Tony Cook said Westall remained one of Australia's major unexplained UFO cases. The top one was the case of Frederick Valentich, a 20-year-old Melbourne pilot whose light plane disappeared while flying over Bass Strait in 1978. In the last minutes of radio communication, Valentich reported seeing a UFO hovering above his plane. He and his craft were never recovered. "It's pretty well documented," Mr Cook said. "That's probably the most important one because it involves the disappearance of a person." Mr Cook said the society's stance on UFOs was that, "there are people out there seeing unusual things in the sky at times and they can't be explained. But it's a very big leap to go from unexplained things in the sky to extraterrestrials." Most witnesses, including Mr Matthews, say the UFO was not an aircraft or helicopter. But Westall is only six kilometres from Moorabbin Airport, and the object was roughly headed in that direction, travelling north to south. "It sounds to me like some sort of experimental craft, very much Earth-based," Steve Roberts, of Australian Skeptics, said. "It is an interesting event with lots of witnesses and what we now call a crop circle. "Accounts are confused. Some have the object landing and taking off again, others say 'a paddock over which the object seemed to hover'." As well, "if there was a whole swag of officials investigating it, there must be an official report in RAAF archives somewhere". But Mr Ryan said that no one at the RAAF knew of the incident. But given the history of the case — the way students and staff were told to keep quiet from the start — that was not surprising, he said. "As I got a little bit older, I got a little more interested in the social and historical aspects of the story, how something like this could have happened and how it reflected society at the time, and how authorities responded to it," he said. "There's been a layer of secrecy that was very, very prominent in this story from the beginning." Contact Shane Ryan on firstname.lastname@example.org The internet discussion list of this incident is at groups.yahoo.com/group/Westallhighschoolufo/ www.theage.com.au/articles/2005/10/01/1127804696941.html
So I guess it comes down to who or what do you wish to believe? Some of the above descriptions do not resemble the flight characteristics a weather balloon. When I was living in Albuquerque New Mexico, in the summer when the winds were coming from the south/south west, I saw numerous weather balloons floating over the city at various altitudes and not once did any of them resemble the UFOs I have seen in the sky or in books/media.
Yes Ive read that ron, it should also be noted that the days leading up to this sighting there were another 2 sightings in the state of Victoria, on April 2, 1966 a UFO was photographed over Balwyn, Melbourne, Australia and on the April 4 1966 you have the High Strangeness of the Burkes Flat Bent Headlight Beams UFO case which deserves its own thread. Im not saying these case's are connected to Westall but it shows that UFO sightings for that month were quite regular in the area.
Ive been following Bill Chalkers blog The OZ Files it doesnt look like he agrees with Keith Basterfields Hypothosis on the Hibal balloon explanation for Westall, here's a couple of his posts.
The link "WESTALL, HIBAL & the balloon explanation" above illustrates how a weather balloon could NOT be the culprit. A weather balloon at ground level up to 10,000 feet does NOT resemble a UFO/Flying Saucer in any description. I was unaware of the other two sightings,but will look into them.
I have not read the other two articles, but will get to them later.
Where did you get that picture with the saucer shaped object? Are those exhaust ports coming out of the bottom? If this is a U.S. balloon launch I am wondering if we could tie the launch date into a Blue Book reporting(s)? I just ordered a copy of Blue Book. Do you have one? If not I will send you a copy if you would like one.
Sorry mate I forgot to post the link, I got it from Openminds.Tv Ive no idea what the saucer shaped object is or what the exhaust looking things are, maybe some kind of sensor for monitoring radiation?
If you saw that on the ground at a distance without the Balloon it would look like a UFO.
stephanieuk: Thank you, Barry. At least I don't think they came last night, I didnt sense them at least. The night before I had. Felt awfully watched and nervous. I suppose I don't mind, so long as they remove the memories. They left a partial one once and..not good!
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barry: they dont understand how it effects us......i tried to tell them, pretty pointless really, nordic types are better
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stephanieuk: To be honest, I don't think that they much care how we think and feel. After the one night where I was left with a memory of them entering my room, a few days later, hubby and I were watching Ancient Aliens and I looked away and was disconnected for a..
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stephanieuk: Mine was a green/grey being. None of the programmes ever seem to show he exact one I was taken by, but that show got it totally right. Shocked myself at how upset I got.
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barry: work with them if you can, on your terms
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