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Post by uforn on Feb 5, 2011 21:14:23 GMT 1
never mind judge, only a week of your life wasted, put it in the hoax section To be honest i dont agree with everything theyve said over there, im sure there are other independant experts looking at this as we speak so im still going to wait a while before i deem this a definitive HOAX! as we will know for sure within the next week
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Post by uforn on Feb 5, 2011 21:49:29 GMT 1
Just to add that not everyone over there has the same opinions here's another perspective on the anomalie of the supposed mirror image of the previous pic: Quote: From what I know motion tile mirrors only the image along the vertical and horizontal axises What accounts for this, it is clearly shown not to be true to the vertical axis. www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread658652/pg108To me all is not clear cut as a definitive HOAX yet This has been big news world wide, there's more to come whether it be to prove its a HOAX or to prove its Genuine, im still on the fence. & will still look into this very interesting case.
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Post by mike69 on Feb 5, 2011 22:56:35 GMT 1
so do i )))
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Post by meldrew on Feb 6, 2011 13:04:38 GMT 1
I'm going hoax on this, probably viral marketing to promote the film battle of los angeles, I think this, this area is a high risk area for religious extremists, so security would be pretty tight, quite a few security cameras and security guards will be around, the flash that occurred would have light the whole area and would have been captured by all the cameras, I watched the bomb video at moscow airport and the flash was quite clear even though the explosion was not in the cameras view, cgi
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Post by uforn on Feb 6, 2011 19:22:57 GMT 1
I'm going hoax on this, probably viral marketing to promote the film battle of los angeles, I think this, this area is a high risk area for religious extremists, so security would be pretty tight, quite a few security cameras and security guards will be around, the flash that occurred would have light the whole area and would have been captured by all the cameras, I watched the bomb video at moscow airport and the flash was quite clear even though the explosion was not in the cameras view, cgi How do you explain other witnesses from Jerusalem coming forward and saying they too witnessed the event ? Its not over till the fat lady sings lol
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Post by uforn on Feb 6, 2011 21:20:41 GMT 1
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Post by meldrew on Feb 6, 2011 21:21:28 GMT 1
I'm going hoax on this, probably viral marketing to promote the film battle of los angeles, I think this, this area is a high risk area for religious extremists, so security would be pretty tight, quite a few security cameras and security guards will be around, the flash that occurred would have light the whole area and would have been captured by all the cameras, I watched the bomb video at moscow airport and the flash was quite clear even though the explosion was not in the cameras view, cgi How do you explain other witnesses from Jerusalem coming forward and saying they too witnessed the event ? Its not over till the fat lady sings lol the witnesses ? an Israeli tabloid with a reputation for being gutter press, said A witness, no name no details no credentials, like when a gutter report says "a close friend says" how do you explain the lack of security camera footage of the flash, the fat lady is loosening up lol
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Post by uforn on Feb 6, 2011 21:23:36 GMT 1
How do you explain other witnesses from Jerusalem coming forward and saying they too witnessed the event ? Its not over till the fat lady sings lol the witnesses ? an Israeli tabloid with a reputation for being gutter press, said A witness, no name no details no credentials, like when a gutter report says "a close friend says" how do you explain the lack of security camera footage of the flash, the fat lady is loosening up lol Where is your link to say the Israeli News site is gutter press ? If you think its a HOAX then find sufficent evidence to back it up You know me if i think its a HOAX ill do my best to prove it, im on the fence on this and will continue to get as much information on this as possible.
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Post by uforn on Feb 6, 2011 21:32:19 GMT 1
Well well well this pic below is well an truly busted, there's a hotel that is symetrical where the lights circled in the pic.
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Post by meldrew on Feb 6, 2011 21:36:12 GMT 1
gralienreport.com/ufos/do-israeli-news-sources-confirm-witnesses-to-jerusalem-ufo-event/#more-1439Below is one quote the article featured: “It was like the ball came down, left a note at the Western Wall and returned to heaven,” said one witnesses the strange event. “We were in shock.” Unfortunately, there is no name given for the witness quoted here, but this at very least suggests that there may have been individuals in the vicinity who witnessed the events of January 28, and who may be willing to comment on the sightings should their identities be determined. The article also notes that, “Residents of Government House in Jerusalem could not remain indifferent, when they noticed an unidentified actually hovered over the Old City and the Western Wall in the wee hours. YouTube video made by residents are documented holiday glow ball over the wall (note that the poor English is due to the use of Google’s translation software). Does this lend further credence to the case? NRG’s article also mentions “a series of scientists interested in the case,” and even links yet another alleged UFO film (linked at the top of this post), purportedly made by American tourists visiting the Western Wall, a holy site in Jerusalem’s old city. The footage depicts a small “orb” that descends, then zigzags through the sky (though admittedly, this video appears more dubious than any of the earlier footage of the “Jerusalem UFO”). Speaking somewhat to the veracity of NRG as a reliable and reputable news site, Israeli news source Haaretz.com once referred to NRG as “not really great… but not bad” in the headline for an article that dissected the site’s journalistic approach. Commenting on the “New Age” section NRG features, which often deals with subjects such as astrology, etc, author Yuval Dror wrote that the section “appears to be the site’s most unconventional and eclectic section,” and that “the site’s editors decided to post in this New Age section results of scientific research on genetic gaps between humans and chimpanzees, and on hunger hormones. Hence, carelessly (at least one hopes it’s an oversight) NRG has decided that genetics and astrology should be presented in the same “New Age” section.” There are no claims, however, that the site has misrepresented or featured otherwise dubious material… at least no more than many popular tabloids and news sites in the West. Though NRG’s coverage may lend some further credibility to the unfolding Jerusalem UFO case, there are still far too many questions that must be resolved before the pieces of this emerging puzzle will even begin fitting together. For now, the reports, as well as the videos of the event itself, must remain in the “maybe” category. the fat lady is practising lol
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Post by uforn on Feb 6, 2011 21:40:23 GMT 1
Yes i seen that article However the witness said this in the readers comments part of the site
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Post by uforn on Feb 6, 2011 21:48:42 GMT 1
Come on meldrew prove to me its a HOAX Good luck your gona need it as ive got even more evidence ;D
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Post by meldrew on Feb 6, 2011 22:04:44 GMT 1
Come on meldrew prove to me its a HOAX Good luck your gona need it as ive got even more evidence ;D I will post my reasons, as for proofing it, that will be down to the hoaxsters to admit, you haven't answered my Q, why has no evidence arisen from security cameras, a flash of that proportion will show up, go to ats and ask them and see what they say. then you can eat my shorts ;D
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Post by uforn on Feb 6, 2011 22:10:49 GMT 1
Come on meldrew prove to me its a HOAX Good luck your gona need it as ive got even more evidence ;D I will post my reasons, as for proofing it, that will be down to the hoaxsters to admit, you haven't answered my Q, why has no evidence arisen from security cameras, a flash of that proportion will show up, go to ats and ask them and see what they say. then you can eat my shorts ;D Ill show you in a min Im gona own you here m8 ;D Below is a quote from a CGI Expert called David Biedny . Quote: Looking at the 4th video, knowing the 3rd one is bogus, I'd go so far as to say you're seeing some of the best genuine UFO footage shot in recent memory. I'm kind of stunned that there was so much discussion on here about the stabilized footage, a basic understanding of parallax tells you the obvious, and this fourth video is nothing short of stunning. I'd love to be in Israel tracking down primary witnesses - I suspect that others saw this thing besides the sources of the videos. Outside of determining the precise provenance, and doing some actual analysis work on the original video data, not the compressed Youtube files, I'd say this is a hot one.
I think there's something here. I don't think the three compelling videos will be debunked. You can quote me on that... but I always reserve the right to be wrong.
I'm saddened by the fact that nutjobs like Webre are putting out nonsense on the event, it deserves some serious, sober journalism. The primary prerequisite is that the investigation needs to happen in Israel proper.
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Post by meldrew on Feb 6, 2011 22:26:31 GMT 1
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Post by uforn on Feb 6, 2011 22:28:15 GMT 1
But it hasnt been proven yet and have you got the source?
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Post by prettyboyfloyd on Feb 6, 2011 22:40:36 GMT 1
This Jerusalem post is starting to get like a film show circus lol. Cheers:Prettyboyfloyd Admin Note: Edit to embed video
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Post by uforn on Feb 6, 2011 22:42:11 GMT 1
OK meldrew and floyd, your talking about security cams and why there's no footage etc well there is from a weather cam over the city. www.02ws.com/station.php?section=pic_movie_archive.php&lang=0Screen shots from the 28-1-2011 from the weather cam Owned i believe the word is, stick that in your pipe and smoke it
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Post by meldrew on Feb 6, 2011 22:49:31 GMT 1
I think judge you should check the time on them there images, I will send you my pants in the morning, put some pepper on them lol ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by uforn on Feb 6, 2011 22:49:37 GMT 1
This Jerusalem post is starting to get like a film show circus lol. Cheers:Prettyboyfloyd Admin Note: Edit to embed videoIf you really think its a HOAX then bring some evidence to support it BTW see above post ^^^^^ you wanted security cam footage there you go
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Post by prettyboyfloyd on Feb 6, 2011 22:56:10 GMT 1
I hope its real Judge But every footage of this sighting.Is at a long distance why? Jerusalem streets are filled with Cctvs.Wheres the close up shots? Cheers:Prettyboyfloyd
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Post by uforn on Feb 6, 2011 22:59:27 GMT 1
I think judge you should check the time on them there images, I will send you my pants in the morning, put some pepper on them lol ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D The time in a sense is irrelevant the screenshots prove there was in fact a light in the sky, so even if the time stamp is wrong that doesnt prove that anything. It was video'd at a dif time thats not to say it wasnt there before or after the video was taken. Which in fact these cam shots prove. Dont get me wrong im on the fence im just putting the info out there, but to label it a HOAX without concrete evidence to back it up is just ridiculous, and you still havnt provided anty evidence to prove its a HOAX
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Post by uforn on Feb 6, 2011 23:04:35 GMT 1
I hope its real Judge But every footage of this sighting.Is at a long distance why? Jerusalem streets are filled with Cctvs.Wheres the close up shots? Cheers:Prettyboyfloyd Floyd the security cams are pointed at the streets m8 there is no reason for them to be pointed at the sky.
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Post by meldrew on Feb 6, 2011 23:05:08 GMT 1
I think judge you should check the time on them there images, I will send you my pants in the morning, put some pepper on them lol ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D The time in a sense is irrelevant the piscreenshots prove there was in fact a light in the sky, so even if the time stamp is wrong that doesnt prove that anything. It was video'd at a dif time thats not to say it wasnt there before or after the video was taken. Which in fact these cam shots prove. Dont get me wrong im on the fence im just putting the info out there, but to label it a HOAX without concrete evidence to back it up is just ridiculous, and you still havnt provided anty evidence to prove its a HOAX rubbish, the time on the images says 03.24, the time of the event was 01.00, this image is not relevant and should be dismissed as a red herring. I rest my case.
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Post by meldrew on Feb 6, 2011 23:07:26 GMT 1
mysteriousuniverse.org/2011/02/recent-israeli-ufo-videos-suspected-of-viral-advertising/Prior to the release of the 2008 thriller Cloverfield, producer J.J. Abrams managed to create a remarkable amount of hype leading up to the film’s release with the multitude of creative “viral marketing” schemes he employed. Among these were a number of websites, some sporting odd circumstances and slightly creepy photographs suggesting the presence of something monstrous, while others merely promoted fake brands (the infamous Japanese “Slusho” beverages) associated with various Abrams ventures. Since that time, hardly does anything happen in the twilight world of Forteana that isn’t at some point suspected of having potential connections to similar “viral” marketing ventures. The infamous “Montauk Monster,” among others, have been noteworthy examples of such situations, inspiring a number of spin-offs and fueling debate over the various lengths entertainment companies will go to in order to promote their products. It comes as no surprise, therefore, that the surge in interest pertaining to a series of purported UFO films stemming from Jerusalem have now caused very similar speculation to emerge. I had even speculated about this at The Gralien Report earlier this week, particularly after the release of a second, longer variation of the fourth in the series of Jerusalem’s UFO videos appeared on YouTube. The video in question depicts four young adults riding together in a car, and an exchange occurring primarily between a woman in the front seat and the man beside the videographer in the backseat directly behind her. After what appears to be a heated (though lighthearted) exchange, the frustrated youth from the backseat emerges from the vehicle, and storms off into the darkness, where he is apparently distracted by “something” in the distance. The female emerges and follows, after which the driver and the cameraman leave the car and follow. The footage then abruptly cuts to the alleged UFO object from the earlier videos, providing the most vivid portrayal of the craft made available to-date. The footage looks so good, in fact, that upon first viewing I couldn’t help but find it more than just a little suspicious. Indeed, it may be that the footage was spliced together, so as to weave a scenario around an otherwise rather ambiguous piece of footage; much the same, the entire thing could have been planned, but for what? Is it merely a hoax, or is it indeed a well-crafted promotional campaign for something else? The latest allegations supporting the latter stem from the website MovieViral.com, which features an article by blogger Dan Koelsch, who notes, “One theory I’ve gotten emailed about is that this was made by the marketing people behind Sony’s Battle: Los Angeles as part of the viral marketing campaign.” Koelsch expressed his own doubt over the potential for a viral scenario, however, nothing that although “the W.A.T.C.H. Facebook page did pick up on the story, I doubt Sony is behind this.” If not marketing for one of this summer’s many alien-themed blockbusters, what else could the videos of the UFO over Jerusalem represent, if not the real thing? At present, the truth has yet to be determined.
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Post by uforn on Feb 6, 2011 23:09:53 GMT 1
Hows it rubbish ?
The cams take images every 10 mins.
The fact that a light is in the sky at a different time means nothing it helps support that there was something there albeit at a different time but on the same day.
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Post by uforn on Feb 6, 2011 23:13:22 GMT 1
Yes ive seen the arguments for Viral Marketing but that is not proven at all yet.
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Post by meldrew on Feb 6, 2011 23:20:16 GMT 1
Hows it rubbish ? The cams take images every 10 mins. The fact that a light is in the sky at a different time means nothing it helps support that there was something there albeit at a different time but on the same day. its rubbish mate because its 2 1/2 hours from when it happened, it wont stand up to any amount of investigation, weather cameras are spot on, this is not the light we are debating, and even if the time was right it is still inconclusive, I am not having it. fat lady is in the wings ;D
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Post by uforn on Feb 6, 2011 23:25:16 GMT 1
Correct its not conclusive but it helps to support the videos that something was in the skys over Jerusalem on the night in question.
BTW there's its a NO Fly zone there.
Ive still not seen you bring any solid evidence to prove HOAX.
If i find any ill post it, but up to now nothing has been proven either way.
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Post by uforn on Feb 6, 2011 23:39:30 GMT 1
I think you should take another look at this synchronized video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w8zKtBGJ60&feature=player_embeddedHave you any idea how hard it would be to CGI this from 3 different perspective's ? Even Stephen Spielberg would have problems doing this. And you havnt answerd why other witnesses have come forward and said they too saw this. Is everyone in Jerusalem in on a HOAX ? I dont think so.
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