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Post by prettyboyfloyd on Feb 6, 2011 23:42:26 GMT 1
That might just prove another point Judge. Of it being a hoax?If it is a no fly zone?Why wasnt the airforce called in to investigate? or any military on the scene?obviously it wasnt picked up by radar.So there for maybe it wasnt a solid object with the other objects.Maybe it was a good light show put on?Just another thought lol. Cheers:Prettyboyfloyd
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Post by uforn on Feb 6, 2011 23:49:20 GMT 1
That might just prove another point Judge. Of it being a hoax?If it is a no fly zone?Why wasnt the airforce called in to investigate? or any military on the scene?obviously it wasnt picked up by radar.So there for maybe it wasnt a solid object with the other objects.Maybe it was a good light show put on?Just another thought lol. Cheers:Prettyboyfloyd Its not really a good point floyd as UFO's dont always show up on Radar. So if it didnt they wouldnt be aware of it would they ? There's been loads of reports from pilots of UFO's but they havnt shown up on Radar, and the reports claim they were solid objects. Remember weve got the F117 Stealth it doesnt show up on Radar
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Post by meldrew on Feb 6, 2011 23:49:27 GMT 1
Correct its not conclusive but it helps to support the videos that something was in the skys over Jerusalem on the night in question. BTW there's its a NO Fly zone there. Ive still not seen you bring any solid evidence to prove HOAX. If i find any ill post it, but up to now nothing has been proven either way. you are not bringing any evidence to prove its real, I've posted my reasons for calling hoax, which is what I said I would do, does the no fly zone include the military ? if this did happen I would suggest there would be a fair bit of military in the area, as this would constitute a breach of the no fly zone, the public would be reporting all this which they aren't, an event like this if real would bring everyone out on to the streets claiming the second coming.
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Post by uforn on Feb 6, 2011 23:59:37 GMT 1
Correct its not conclusive but it helps to support the videos that something was in the skys over Jerusalem on the night in question. BTW there's its a NO Fly zone there. Ive still not seen you bring any solid evidence to prove HOAX. If i find any ill post it, but up to now nothing has been proven either way. you are not bringing any evidence to prove its real, I've posted my reasons for calling hoax, which is what I said I would do, does the no fly zone include the military ? if this did happen I would suggest there would be a fair bit of military in the area, as this would constitute a breach of the no fly zone, the public would be reporting all this which they aren't, an event like this if real would bring everyone out on to the streets claiming the second coming. Have you not looked at this thread meldrew ? i suggest you go to page 1 and go over it again, ive brought evidence from both side's of the argument. In fact its me that has brought all the evidence here so far on both sides. Im not trying to prove its real im trying to get to the truth on it but simply saying its a HOAX without doing some proper research on it is stupid. Do you have any idea how many websites and forums ive looked at on this, i dont think you do. As for the military i dont know. But thats irrelevant too, we get UFO sightings here that the military doesnt know about or gets involved with. Your wrong the public are reporting this read the thread again, other witnesses are coming forward.
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Post by meldrew on Feb 7, 2011 0:05:10 GMT 1
don't be so god damn rude, you have been proved wrong so you get shirty, well post to your self
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Post by uforn on Feb 7, 2011 0:09:00 GMT 1
Proved wrong on what ?
Nothings been proved !
Im debating with you whats your problem ?
I dont think youve been looking at ALL the evidence which is why i pointed out for you to go over the thread again.
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Post by uforn on Feb 7, 2011 0:33:06 GMT 1
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Post by mike69 on Feb 7, 2011 0:45:49 GMT 1
very good
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Post by uforn on Feb 7, 2011 0:53:19 GMT 1
Here's some still pics from video #4 i think youll find they are quite impressive
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Post by mike69 on Feb 7, 2011 1:06:41 GMT 1
I do photos in the dark. reflections of these pic `s are perfect, and if these photos had appeared only I could tell they were real
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Post by uforn on Feb 7, 2011 1:09:12 GMT 1
I do photos in the dark. reflections of these pic `s are perfect, and if these photos had appeared only I could tell they were real COOL Mike you can be our Photo Analyst ;D
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Post by mike69 on Feb 7, 2011 1:19:07 GMT 1
kkkkkkkkkkkk, when you see a photo taken at night, I can try one in the same conditions to analyze.
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Post by uforn on Feb 7, 2011 1:23:25 GMT 1
I sent you a pm mike
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Post by uforn on Feb 7, 2011 2:17:21 GMT 1
I think everyone should take a look at the video below, its a analysis of the red lights in all the video's, something that has been overlooked on these video's, This is very good guys Quote from poster of video: This 3D stuff in the air in a moving camera screen is not an easy thing to do. |
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Post by mike69 on Feb 7, 2011 2:53:59 GMT 1
judge you saw that one ??
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Post by uforn on Feb 7, 2011 3:05:33 GMT 1
judge you saw that one ?? Yes mike i have m8 its very simialar to this sighting, just havnt got round to posting anything on it due to my time spent on this case
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Post by mike69 on Feb 7, 2011 3:15:34 GMT 1
this is not fake
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Post by mike69 on Feb 7, 2011 4:46:20 GMT 1
I'll post this video here just to see the drawings that appear, there is a triangle equal to the geometric forms of video over posted
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Post by Laurance on Feb 7, 2011 17:42:19 GMT 1
Anyway, it is funny that only last month there was several articles about the only way to make peace in the middle east would be UFOs.
We also had the film skyline with which 'blue' balls dropped from the sky before the Craft were seen.
Now I am not saying this is a hoax, however I am just pointing out some things that have struck me.
Also the video with the American Tourists I do believe is a hoax based on the fact that there is no flash and the object seems to act differently from the other videos.
However, unless the 'Aliens' admit it, I feel we shall never know truly what this is.
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Post by uforn on Feb 7, 2011 18:20:55 GMT 1
Anyway, it is funny that only last month there was several articles about the only way to make peace in the middle east would be UFOs. We also had the film skyline with which 'blue' balls dropped from the sky before the Craft were seen. Now I am not saying this is a hoax, however I am just pointing out some things that have struck me. Also the video with the American Tourists I do believe is a hoax based on the fact that there is no flash and the object seems to act differently from the other videos. However, unless the 'Aliens' admit it, I feel we shall never know truly what this is. Yes video # 3 is definately a HOAX, its a still image video'd of a screen, the original pic they used is on the 2nd page. Viral Marketing i thought too, there's over 15 Alien type movies coming out this year. But that doesnt explain why other witnesses are coming forward and saying they saw it too.
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Post by mike69 on Feb 7, 2011 18:39:18 GMT 1
red lights (chinese lanterns with white flares )
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Post by uforn on Feb 7, 2011 19:04:10 GMT 1
red lights (chinese lanterns with white flares ) I dont know mike, doesnt look like chinese lanters but when they drop the white lights they look like flares, could be some military exercise.
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Post by mike69 on Feb 7, 2011 19:27:36 GMT 1
I have noticed in these shots (red lights) is the distance between them remain; here in the port city, also have launched balloons to tradition, while some pieces drop flares to burn it off in seconds and completely consuming the balloon. These flares are not equals, I have to analyze a Chinese lantern to try to understand what chemicals they use as fuel and its ability to make these effects.
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Post by uforn on Feb 8, 2011 22:45:52 GMT 1
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Post by mike69 on Feb 9, 2011 6:30:44 GMT 1
good day;)that is a ballon, are equal to that released here, and I can guarantee that I never saw any drop those flares. sometimes the balloon catches fire and is burning falls, is not the same effect. in the video that does not seem balloons (it's what we call it here in the port city) if so, are not equal to these
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Post by Electra on Feb 9, 2011 23:56:52 GMT 1
Space.com Hoax in the Holy Land: Jerusalem UFO a Proven Fake, Report by Benjamin Radford, Life's Little Mysteries Contributor Date: 09 February 2011 Time: 09:00 AM ET Several videos have surfaced online that supposedly show a UFO hovering over an Islamic shrine known as the Dome of the Rock on Jerusalem's Temple Mount some time after midnight on Jan. 28. The videos have sparked a furious debate about whether we finally have evidence of UFOs. As a veteran investigator of many UFO photos and videos, these images strike me as highly dubious, and all signs point to a hoax. Why are the Jerusalem UFO videos suspicious? Life's Little Mysteries counts the ways: First, no one knows who took the videos. In UFO reports, as in police investigations, anonymous reports are usually a red flag that something's bogus. There are very few legitimate reasons why a genuine witness would not want to be identified. (For example, fear of reprisals from gang members or the mafia; though it seems unlikely that the aliens threatened anyone to keep quiet.) If you were one of the first people in the world to capture some of the most amazing video footage of a UFO taken in the past decade, why would you post it anonymously on YouTube instead of either submitting it to professional analysis, or making money by selling it to CNN or MSNBC? (In fact, there's some speculation that most or all of the videos were actually posted by a single person, which would guarantee a hoax.) Surely at least one of the videographers -- or someone working with them — would have come forward in the past 10 days to sell their story to a newspaper or tabloid. Suspicious. Second, not only do we not know who took the footage, but no one other than the videographers reported having seen the lights. The Dome of the Rock is one of the most famous and important religious sites in the world, and there are well over a million people in Jerusalem at any given time—many of them religious tourists near the Temple Mount. It's probable that there were thousands of people in the area at the time, yet no one else reported seeing or videotaping the bright light? Very suspicious. Third, though one woman can be heard in a videotape saying that the mysterious light was so bright that "you can almost hardly look at it," the object does not seem to reflect any light from the gold-plated dome below it. This is very mysterious indeed, and strongly suggests that the "UFO" light was digitally inserted into the scene. (Note also that a generic light would be among the easiest "UFOs" to fake; you don't need to worry about drawing or animating spaceship windows or wings or shadows on the craft itself.) Super suspicious. Then there's the strangely small size of the supposed alien aircraft, which can be roughly determined by comparing it to the size of the Dome over which it hovers. The UFO appears to be no more than about fifteen feet long, which seems awfully small for a spacecraft that presumably made it across the universe for its camera cameo. For anyone who still sees a UFO through the sea of red flags, there's the video analysis that shows evidence of fakery. Robert Sheaffer, a longtime skeptical UFO investigator and author of the Bad UFOs blog told Life's Little Mysteries that, "the original Jerusalem UFO has now been definitely shown to be a hoax. Effects of the video processing software are clearly seen. The hoaxer used Motion Tile effects with edge mirroring to introduce camera shake into the video. You can see the mirroring effects along the edge of the video. This proves that the video did not go directly from the camera to YouTube, that it made a stop in between inside a sophisticated video editing software suite. Once you start editing it like that, a skilled hoaxer can put practically anything in it." The Jerusalem UFO videos have created much controversy since they first appeared, with many believers vigorously defending the videos as real. They dismiss skeptical explanations such as these, but do not offer any better analysis. In science, of course, it's not enough to simply criticize a theory or explanation — critics are expected to put forth a better solution that fits the facts. The appearance of the UFO over Jerusalem is ironic; for many, belief in UFOs is based on faith, not evidence. Benjamin Radford is managing editor of Skeptical Inquirer science magazine and author of Scientific Paranormal Investigation: How to Solve Unexplained Mysteries. His web site is: www.RadfordBooks.com. Original Article: www.lifeslittlemysteries.com.............. This guy makes some pertinent points to take into consideration.
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Post by uforn on Feb 10, 2011 0:36:17 GMT 1
Yes ive seen that article Electra, ive also seen the media coverage too.
The Fox News reports and all the rest.
Ive looked at every website and forum there is on this and i really think this has had a huge campaign to call this a HOAX! from as soon as the first video hit youtube.
Ive read the lot just look on youtube for instance, look at all the hoax video's of this that has been made, video's 1,2 and 4 were the supposed real ones, also look how many video's there is claiming it to be a HOAX.
The Media showed video number 3 which was most definately a HOAX! All Media channels used this video, the other videos had not been deemed Fake at the time but this 3rd one had been deemd Fake.
Why did they use the fake video ?
The big forums and members one of which is supposed to be ran by the CIA have gone to great lengths to say this is a HOAX and i mean great lengths.
Just have a look around on this you will see what i mean.
They said no other witnesses came forward, this is not true as someone from jerusalem went on the news sites and forums there and found a few reports that others had also seen it from the ground i posted these in the thread.
This is being totally ignored.
This has been made a HOAX via the internet.
This case needs a full, field investigation considering the amount of media attention it has brought world wide.
Anyone can say anything on conspiracy forums.
Ill be happy when a proper researcher / investigator gets independant tests done on the video's via a credible CGI Expert, and does a proper field research investigation and visits Jerusalem track the witnesses whose names are known and get interviews, go to the locations the video's were taken and take video's both day and night etc etc.
I think this has had a massive campaign to dumb it down as HOAX.
Lets face it something this big is going to be well..........
BTW im not saying its real nor am i saying Hoax i am saying a proper investigation is needed.
Ive heard on the grapevine that MUFON are supposed to be going to Investigate it, ive also heard that Researcher Jaime Maussan was going over to interview the witnesses.
How true this is i dont know could very much just be internet rumour.
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Post by uforn on Feb 10, 2011 3:09:11 GMT 1
Also take a look at the video below titled youtube UFO cover-up exposed. Posters Comments: The Government or Youtube has been burying UFO Videos with Junk. Share this video with the world. |
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Post by uforn on Feb 11, 2011 5:45:44 GMT 1
Below is a new analysis of the weather cam footage. Poster Comments: UFO Jerusalem Wheather Cam - New Analysis Events Related to the January 28, 2010. |
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Post by boodykaka on Feb 11, 2011 10:25:28 GMT 1
Posters Comments: The Government or Youtube has been burying UFO Videos with Junk. Share this video with the world. |
It didnt work for me
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