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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2012 23:22:22 GMT 1
Hello uforn,
Aw shucks, 'twern't nuthin'. If you don't mind me blowing my own horn a bit, I'm really good at this sort of thing. But in truth? I'm just getting warmed up. For what you might ask. Well, I'm on the threshhold of a major push to put the Black Triangles to rest once and for all!. You probably already know that I have always thought them to be military. The effort so far has been a major one too. I've been basically picking up where Larry Hatch and Robert t. Bigelow's NIDS left off. It's also the reason I asked for the petition links earlier in this thread.
I will elaborate later as this is off topic for this particular thread. But suffice it to say I am bringing all my skills and life experiences to the task and will in the end succeed. This Trislander case was a cake walk by comparison but during my BT endeavors it was and enjoyable one! I'm convinced now that the cylindrical magnetic object was a piece of the speaker that lies behing the voice coil. The "tire valve" was more than likely the molded outboard antennae. My assumption on that one though.
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Post by meldrew on Aug 12, 2012 10:18:05 GMT 1
So I missed the moment lol A loader would have put his motorola radio in the air duct of the left propeller while loading, I reckon news papers, job done they have driven off leaving the motorola radio in the air duct , the plane takes off and when it reaches FL50 5000 ft above Ipswich, the plane levels out causing the motorola radio to slide forward into the propeller, the motorola radio is then fired by the force of the inpact with the propeller through the fuselage causing the damage. simple another case solved
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Post by meldrew on Aug 12, 2012 11:46:06 GMT 1
now I think we should get mythbusters to do a mock up of a radio sliding into the propeller ;D I think we know why the baggage handlers totally ignored this subject lol for it was one of them dosey twonks that caused the whole drama and they probably all knew it
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Post by uforn on Aug 12, 2012 13:17:49 GMT 1
Hello uforn, Aw shucks, 'twern't nuthin'. If you don't mind me blowing my own horn a bit, I'm really good at this sort of thing. But in truth? I'm just getting warmed up. For what you might ask. Well, I'm on the threshhold of a major push to put the Black Triangles to rest once and for all!. You probably already know that I have always thought them to be military. The effort so far has been a major one too. I've been basically picking up where Larry Hatch and Robert t. Bigelow's NIDS left off. It's also the reason I asked for the petition links earlier in this thread. I will elaborate later as this is off topic for this particular thread. But suffice it to say I am bringing all my skills and life experiences to the task and will in the end succeed. This Trislander case was a cake walk by comparison but during my BT endeavors it was and enjoyable one! I'm convinced now that the cylindrical magnetic object was a piece of the speaker that lies behing the voice coil. The "tire valve" was more than likely the molded outboard antennae. My assumption on that one though. Credit where its due hiflier You know the funny thing is, when I read that pdf I had a deja vu moment. Ive upgraded your profile for the effort you have put in on this case
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Post by uforn on Aug 12, 2012 13:23:21 GMT 1
So I missed the moment lol A loader would have put his motorola radio in the air duct of the left propeller while loading, I reckon news papers, job done they have driven off leaving the motorola radio in the air duct , the plane takes off and when it reaches FL50 5000 ft above Ipswich, the plane levels out causing the motorola radio to slide forward into the propeller, the motorola radio is then fired by the force of the inpact with the propeller through the fuselage causing the damage. simple another case solved the end. Im abit dissapointed I didnt get to do the FOI request, I was looking forward to it Ive also upgraded your profile meldrew for the work you put in
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 13:37:08 GMT 1
Hello meldrew,
Occam's Razor, eh? Good on you for bringing the case to the forefront to begin with. It's remarkable how many times it was referenced in the UFO literature and how scattered the data was on the net. One would have thought that in the 28 years of the case floating around that the completed story would have been available a long while back. Be that as it may it gave us a good shot at dusting off the ol' research cobwebs. For myself, I'm ready for the next cold case. Got one?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 13:42:11 GMT 1
Hello uforn, I thank you for the upgrade. Much appreciated. As for the FOI? There's plenty of opportunities ahead if we stay on this track to be sure.
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Post by meldrew on Aug 12, 2012 13:51:24 GMT 1
Hello meldrew, Occam's Razor, eh? Good on you for bringing the case to the forefront to begin with. It's remarkable how many times it was referenced in the UFO literature and how scattered the data was on the net. One would have thought that in the 28 years of the case floating around that the completed story would have been available a long while back. Be that as it may it gave us a good shot at dusting off the ol' research cobwebs. For myself, I'm ready for the next cold case. Got one? funny thing is we researchers do it in private, this time with judge we wanted to do it on the forum in the open warts "n" all, also with the intent of bringing other members in to contribute, I think we were getting jaded and needed to liven up a bit as we all get UFO fatigue, trawling through old cases looking for something to pick up on is what I like to do and I come across a few now and again that I think can be looked at more closely, so one might well come up soon and another thing I had read this case a few times over the years and never thought about it too much, untill this time when bells rang on the ufologie site it said there were 41 cases reported of UFO collision with aircraft, but this was the only case cited ! edited for and another thing ;D
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 14:32:20 GMT 1
Hello meldrew,
Research in private is my MO as well. It is something I truly enjoy doing, too. I find the older cases to be a bit more documented like Ubatuba and even researched to see if any test pilots in that year lost their lives because as a non-believer in Alien presence I was aiming for proto-type testing in remote areas for the sake of secrecy. I also was on the trail of any testing or lab work experiments involving pure magnesium26.
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Post by meldrew on Aug 12, 2012 14:46:49 GMT 1
Hello meldrew, Research in private is my MO as well. It is something I truly enjoy doing, too. I find the older cases to be a bit more documented like Ubatuba and even researched to see if any test pilots in that year lost their lives because as a non-believer in Alien presence I was aiming for proto-type testing in remote areas for the sake of secrecy. I also was on the trail of any testing or lab work experiments involving pure magnesium26. we have a ubatuba thread uforesearchnetwork.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=classic&action=display&thread=1345 if you want to have a look.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 16:14:45 GMT 1
hello meldrew, Okay, thanks for the link. My take? Sort and sweet. There is something I would like you and uforn to read that I feel is pertinent to better understanding elements (pun intended) regarding that case.When doing reaesrch both of you know the tangents and avenues one sometimes find themselves following in order to gain a better perspective WRT details. In the case of Ubatuba an important ingredient is a better knowledge of magnesium's properties and historical aspects in general. When one reads of UFO characteristics both as aerial and underwater objects one wonders about their construction and or/components. The study of magnesium can bring to light several aspects WRT to observes UFO properties such as brilliant white light in daylight or at night and a sort of reported visibility underwater as well. For this reason this link is of at least some value. Read carefully through the text and you may understand what I mean: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnesium
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Post by uforn on Aug 12, 2012 17:07:43 GMT 1
I dont think we are the first to solve this, as I said in a post above I had a deja vu moment when I read the pdf hiflier found. The Motorola radio set alarm bells ringing. Im sure Ive come accross this before but I cant remember where. It could have been a documentary or maybe another forum, It might even be posted on here somehwere in some article.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 17:58:30 GMT 1
Hello uforn,
You are probably right since all the info brought to bear was out there on the net. In retropect the solution may have come quicker had the order of discovery been somewhat different.
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Post by belle on Aug 12, 2012 18:26:08 GMT 1
I'm glad your mystery is solved guys. I wish y'all would do more posts like these. I truely enjoyed reading the whole time. Hey Uforn do I get like 1/2 a point for asking over here in the states if there was any info. LOL. Meldrew...what can I say...maybe you should be a teacher because of your patience with me and my Q's.
Hiflier..Magnesium eh. Haven't read your link yet, but it has amazing properties. I read somewhere that is is believed to be an ingredient in Greek Fire. It would make sense.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 18:30:27 GMT 1
Hello belle,
It's an ingredient in EVERYTHING. Just not naturally in a pure state.
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Post by meldrew on Aug 13, 2012 11:05:02 GMT 1
I dont think we are the first to solve this, as I said in a post above I had a deja vu moment when I read the pdf hiflier found. The Motorola radio set alarm bells ringing. Im sure Ive come accross this before but I cant remember where. It could have been a documentary or maybe another forum, It might even be posted on here somehwere in some article. well if thats the case then why didn't anything show up on search engine ? a thread by jamesc on dif showed up, and there was only 1 post mentioning this, if it shows up then fair play, at least we now know what really happened anyway.
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Post by uforn on Aug 13, 2012 15:28:07 GMT 1
I dont think we are the first to solve this, as I said in a post above I had a deja vu moment when I read the pdf hiflier found. The Motorola radio set alarm bells ringing. Im sure Ive come accross this before but I cant remember where. It could have been a documentary or maybe another forum, It might even be posted on here somehwere in some article. well if thats the case then why didn't anything show up on search engine ? a thread by jamesc on dif showed up, and there was only 1 post mentioning this, if it shows up then fair play, at least we now know what really happened anyway. I dont know why nothing showed up mate, maybe it had a different title ? Everyone who took part in this deserves full credit, as none of us could find a full account anywhere. We now have the full account with some very good research done.
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Post by meldrew on Aug 13, 2012 15:36:30 GMT 1
well if thats the case then why didn't anything show up on search engine ? a thread by jamesc on dif showed up, and there was only 1 post mentioning this, if it shows up then fair play, at least we now know what really happened anyway. I dont know why nothing showed up mate, maybe it had a different title ? Everyone who took part in this deserves full credit, as none of us could find a full account anywhere. We now have the full account with some very good research done. I agree, I was impressed, I liked the way ideas came out during banter giving us more to search for, when you package this you will need a title, any ideas, anyone.
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Post by uforn on Aug 13, 2012 15:47:15 GMT 1
I dont know why nothing showed up mate, maybe it had a different title ? Everyone who took part in this deserves full credit, as none of us could find a full account anywhere. We now have the full account with some very good research done. I agree, I was impressed, I liked the way ideas came out during banter giving us more to search for, when you package this you will need a title, any ideas, anyone. I feel you should put this altogether as this was your thread, so you should get the credit for bringing it to us. If you like Ill make a section for you to do it in private ?
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Post by meldrew on Aug 13, 2012 16:26:37 GMT 1
yeah lets do that, hiflier is it possible for you to scan or copy the pdf links you posted, that would be better than just a link I think, still need a title though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2012 16:33:36 GMT 1
Hello All,
This comes to mind:
"1984 Trislander UFO Collision Case Solved". Not very original or sensational but adequate.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2012 16:36:34 GMT 1
Hello meldrew,
Do you mean getting a copy of the text within those links? If so then I'd be glad to.
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Post by uforn on Aug 13, 2012 16:45:41 GMT 1
I can get some screen shots of the FOI reports
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Post by meldrew on Aug 13, 2012 16:47:32 GMT 1
Hello meldrew, Do you mean getting a copy of the text within those links? If so then I'd be glad to. yes, rather than just a link, the text can be posted with the link, that would be most excellent, I can't copy it for forum use due to having a low tech set up
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2012 17:14:31 GMT 1
Hello uforn,
That would be good. Okay, meldrew I'll see what I can. Let me know where you would like the data. Most importantly perhaps so we all don't go running off maybe a list of the links/info/data you would like could be generated. We can then look at it all at once and pick who's taking what so nothing gets missed and unecessary stuff can be ignored (like plane photos?).
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Post by meldrew on Aug 13, 2012 18:32:51 GMT 1
Hello uforn, That would be good. Okay, meldrew I'll see what I can. Let me know where you would like the data. Most importantly perhaps so we all don't go running off maybe a list of the links/info/data you would like could be generated. We can then look at it all at once and pick who's taking what so nothing gets missed and unecessary stuff can be ignored (like plane photos?). post it on to this thread I can take it from here, everything will come from this thread.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2012 19:49:50 GMT 1
Hello meldrew,
Sounds good. Okay.
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Post by meldrew on Aug 13, 2012 20:18:03 GMT 1
I will do it one sitting and hopefully with no edits,... tomorrow if the gov files are posted, I like the title idea hiflier
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2012 20:22:49 GMT 1
Hello meldrew,
Sure. I'll give you everything I brought in. Hopefully not too much overlap with the Judge's stuff.
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Post by uforn on Aug 13, 2012 20:28:36 GMT 1
One of the FOI reports is on the first page of this thread. Here's the other one: And here's the AAIB report on the foreign objects:
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