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Post by uforn on Jan 20, 2011 7:15:37 GMT 1
Which 5 UFO Case's Do You Consider The Best? Which 5 UFO cases do you consider in your opinion to be the best and why? Im going to give this some thought and ill reply soon with which ones i think to be the best. This is going to be hard lol as there's some very good case's out there
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Post by mike69 on Jan 20, 2011 18:55:26 GMT 1
the best ufo case then i now is my case it´s the only one than i have 100% sure
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Post by meldrew on Jan 20, 2011 21:08:25 GMT 1
apart from Bentwaters and Roswell, they are the most famous and I would suggest the first cases that people come across when they start to explore this subject, I too will have to think about this. right then no3 is not a case but a flap, the flap of 52 starting with the Nash/Fortenberry sighting. uforesearchnetwork.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=witness&action=display&thread=1321Nash-Fortenberry UFO sighting From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The Nash-Fortenberry UFO sighting was an unidentified flying object sighting that occurred on July 14, 1952, when two experienced commercial pilots (William B. Nash and William H. Fortenberry) claimed to have seen eight UFOs flying in a tight echelon formation over Chesapeake Bay in the state of Virginia. Though the encounter lasted only twelve to fifteen seconds, Nash and Fortenberry were able to offer a detailed moment-by-moment chronology of events. Both pilots were World War II U.S. Navy veterans, and had been trained in identification of enemy aircraft -- Nash was a Naval Air Transport veteran who specialized in anti-submarine patrols, while Fortenberry worked with the Navy's air experimental wing. The encounter was particularly noteworthy because the pilots observed the UFOs between their aircraft and the ground, allowing for relatively precise measurements of the objects' motion and size when compared to known landmarks; more often claimed UFOs are spotted against an open sky, making such comparisons difficult. The encounter was lent additional corroboration by several groups of independent ground witnesses who reported their own sightings within an hour of their occurrence, before the case earned mass media attention. The case was investigated by the U.S. Air Force's Project Blue Book, who could find no conventional explanation for what the pilots described, and who declared the case an "unknown." Astronomer and UFO skeptic Donald Menzel first argued the pilots might have seen reflections in their cockpit, but withdrew this explanation following a rejoinder from the pilots. www.hyper.net/ufo/pics/ufo-uscg-salem- 1952.jpg[/img] "The summer 1952 UFO sighting wave was one of the largest of all time, and arguably the most significant of all time in terms of the credible reports and hardcore scientific data obtained." -- Richard H. Hall (who served at NICAP and FUFOR) Sightings were coordinated with radar fixes and airforce jets were scrambled to intercept the UFOs, making newspaper headlines and causing considerable concern in the population. USCG Salem Coast Guard Station, Massachusetts USA, 16-Jul-1952 photo of a formation of 4 UFOs. photo from LIFE photo archives. And culminating with the famous Washington Whitehouse fly past uforesearchnetwork.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=casefiles&action=display&thread=114Events of July 19–20 At 11:40 p.m. on Saturday, July 19, 1952, Edward Nugent, an air-traffic controller at Washington National Airport, spotted seven objects on his radar. The objects were located 15 miles south-southwest of the city; no known aircraft were in the area and the objects were not following any established flight paths. Nugent's superior, Harry Barnes, a senior air-traffic controller at the airport, watched the objects on Nugent's radarscope. He later wrote: "We knew immediately that a very strange situation existed . . . their movements were completely radical compared to those of ordinary aircraft" Barnes had two controllers check Nugent's radar; they found that it was working normally. Barnes then called National Airport's other radar center; the controller there, Howard Cocklin, told Barnes that he also had the objects on his radarscope. Furthermore, Cocklin said that by looking out of the control tower window he could see one of the objects: "a bright orange light. I can't tell what's behind it" At this point, other objects appeared in all sectors of the radarscope; when they moved over the White House and the United States Capitol, Barnes called Andrews Air Force Base, located 10 miles from National Airport. Although Andrews reported that they had no unusual objects on their radar, an airman soon called the base's control tower to report the sighting of a strange object. Airman William Brady, who was in the tower, then saw an "object which appeared to be like an orange ball of fire, trailing a tail . . . [it was] unlike anything I had ever seen before." As Brady tried to alert the other personnel in the tower, the strange object "took off at an unbelievable speed" and vanished in "a split second". He then observed a second, similar object, but it also disappeared before anyone else in the tower could see it. At 12:30 a.m. on July 20, another person in the National Airport control tower reported seeing "an orange disk about 3,000 feet altitude". On one of the airport's runways, S.C. Pierman, a Capital Airlines pilot, was waiting in the cockpit of his DC-4 for permission to take off. After spotting what he believed to be a meteor, he was told that the control tower's radar had picked up unknown objects closing in on his position. Pierman observed six objects — "white, tailless, fast-moving lights" — over a 14-minute period. Pierman was in radio contact with Barnes during his sighting, and Barnes later related that "each sighting coincided with a pip we could see near his plane. When he reported that the light streaked off at a high speed, it disappeared on our scope." At Andrews AFB, meanwhile, the control tower personnel were tracking on radar what some thought to be unknown objects, but others suspected, and in one instance were able to prove, were simply stars and meteors. However, Staff Sgt. Charles Davenport observed an orange-red light to the south; the light "would appear to stand still, then make an abrupt change in direction and altitude . . . this happened several times". At one point both radar centers at National Airport and the radar at Andrews AFB were tracking an object hovering over a radio beacon. The object vanished in all three radar centers at the same time (Ruppelt, p. 160). At 3 a.m., shortly before two jet fighters from Newcastle AFB in Delaware arrived over Washington, all of the objects vanished from the radar at National Airport. However, when the jets ran low on fuel and left, the objects returned, which convinced Barnes that "the UFOs were monitoring radio traffic and behaving accordingly". The objects were last detected by radar at 5:30 a.m. Around sunrise, E.W. Chambers, a civilian radio engineer in Washington's suburbs, observed "five huge disks circling in a loose formation. They tilted upward and left on a steep ascent. 2 for the price of 1 no4 uforesearchnetwork.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=classic&action=display&thread=1345the Ubatuba disc crash this does not have a wikipedia entry this happened in Brazil just off a beach and fragments of the disc were analysed and found to be "not known to man", a report on this is in our classic case section no5 uforesearchnetwork.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=casefiles&action=display&thread=120Kenneth Arnold UFO sighting On June 24, 1947, while flying near Mt. Rainer, Arnold claimed to have seen nine unusual objects flying in the skies. He also claimed to have seen UFOs on several other occasions afterwards, as well. Arnold originally described the objects' shape as "flat like a pie pan", "shaped like a pie plate", "half-moon shaped, oval in front and convex in the rear", "something like a pie plate that was cut in half with a sort of a convex triangle in the rear", or simply "saucer-like" or "like a big flat disk", and also described their erratic motion being "like a fish flipping in the sun" or a saucer skipped across water. From these, the press quickly coined the new terms "flying saucer" and "flying disc" to describe such objects, many of which were reported within days after Arnold's sighting. Later Arnold would add that one of the objects actually resembled a crescent or flying wing (see image). The U.S. Air Force formally listed the Arnold case as a mirage; this is one of many explanations that have been disputed by critics, and researchers Jerome Clark, author of The UFO Book (1998 and Ronald Story, editor of The Encyclopedia of UFOs (1980). Both argue that there has never been an entirely persuasive conventional explanation of the Arnold sighting. After his UFO sighting, Arnold became a minor celebrity, and for about a decade thereafter, he was somewhat involved in interviewing other UFO witnesses or contactees. Notably, he investigated the claims of Samuel Eaton Thompson, one of the first contactees. Arnold wrote a book and several magazine articles about his UFO sighting and his subsequent research. By the 1960s, Arnold had little to do with UFOs. He appearead at a 1977 convention currated by Fate to mark the 30th anniversary of the "birth" of the modern UFO age. all these cases are on this site happy days
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Post by prettyboyfloyd on Jan 24, 2011 3:01:45 GMT 1
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Post by uforn on Jan 24, 2011 9:14:30 GMT 1
Hi floyd interesting choices there Ive noticed that some of your choices are localised to Australia, is this based on the assumption that, that is where your from ? Or do you consider these cases to be the best in your opinion ? Ill be posting mine soon and i think youll be surprised by my choices, just trying to gather some info and links etc at the min so that members can check them out for themselves Can you give the reasons for your choices m8 ?
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Post by prettyboyfloyd on Jan 24, 2011 10:24:05 GMT 1
Gday Judge Theres many case's around planet Earth, but the ones that get my attention are the ones that have been witnessed by many. The Kaikoura lights sighted over NZ was another good case but seeing a sighting for yourself only then becomes believable & unforgettable, which I've had the priveledge of seeing for myself. Theres many good cases over our way, not just in the Usa & Europe lol. Cheers:Prettyboyfloyd
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Post by uforn on Jan 24, 2011 10:38:03 GMT 1
Gday Judge Theres many case's around planet Earth, but the ones that get my attention are the ones that have been witnessed by many. The Kaikoura lights sighted over NZ was another good case but seeing a sighting for yourself only then becomes believable & unforgettable, which I've had the priveledge of seeing for myself. Theres many good cases over our way, not just in the Usa & Europe lol. Cheers:Prettyboyfloyd Yes i know m8 there loads Can you give the reasons for why you chose your 5 choices ?
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Post by prettyboyfloyd on Jan 24, 2011 11:52:27 GMT 1
Roswell & Aztec Where the best coverups of all time. Too many peope witnessed the events.As for my Aussie cases.I believe they happend & were true events & were witnessed by many Judge?As for Frederick Valentich it was between him & the radio controller only at Moorabin airport.It was one of the best Alien abuctions of all time.Looking forward to seeing yours.Proof is the utmost in a good case always. Cheers:Prettyboyfloyd
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Post by Laurance on Jan 24, 2011 19:14:17 GMT 1
I am sure that many people, including some outstanding UFOlogists have exposed Aztec to be nothing more than a hoax produced by a guy to sell things.
It this just about UFOs or can encounters be included too?
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Post by uforn on Jan 24, 2011 19:23:33 GMT 1
I am sure that many people, including some outstanding UFOlogists have exposed Aztec to be nothing more than a hoax produced by a guy to sell things. It this just about UFOs or can encounters be included too? I was gona put an encounter into my choices but we could do a seperate thread for that.
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Post by Laurance on Jan 24, 2011 19:36:49 GMT 1
I am sure that many people, including some outstanding UFOlogists have exposed Aztec to be nothing more than a hoax produced by a guy to sell things. It this just about UFOs or can encounters be included too? I was gona put an encounter into my choices but we could do a seperate thread for that. Okies sounds good. My five choices are, in no particular order:- The Cash Landrum case The Kecksburg incident The Scandinavian 'Ghost Flyers' and the later 'Ghost Rockets' The Goodman Air Force Base case The Foo Fighters
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Post by uforn on Jan 24, 2011 19:45:48 GMT 1
I was gona put an encounter into my choices but we could do a seperate thread for that. Okies sounds good. My five choices are, in no particular order:- The Cash Landrum case The Kecksburg incident The Scandinavian 'Ghost Flyers' and the later 'Ghost Rockets' The Goodman Air Force Base case The Foo Fighters Interesting whats the reasons for your choices m8?
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Post by mike69 on Jan 24, 2011 20:15:59 GMT 1
roswell crash. benwaters and a case in iran ,i dont remember the name ;(
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Post by uforn on Jan 24, 2011 20:34:16 GMT 1
Here's my choice's in no particular order: JAL Flight 1628 - Reason because this sighting was investigated by the FAA, the objects were also tracked on Airforce Radar then not long after there was another sighting in the same place of the same object only this time it was the US Military that reported it, JAL Flight 1628 also came up in the cockpit recordings. To this day there is no explanation for this sighting. JAL case is posted in Pilot UFO sightings thread here: uforesearchnetwork.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=witness&action=display&thread=13211973 Coyne Helicopter incident - Reason, this incident involved a Military Helicopter, the pilot tryed to get away from the UFO but the helicopter was being pulled towards the UFO, afterwards the electricals on the helicopter all failed, this sighting was also witnessed from the ground. Thread on this here: uforesearchnetwork.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=classic&action=display&thread=599Shag Harbour USO incident - This was witnessed by many people, also the Navy got involved they even sent divers down to see if they could find it, they tracked it and it was joined later by another UFO. Thread here: uforesearchnetwork.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=usos&action=display&thread=211942 - Battle of Los Angeles - The Military fired thousands of rounds at this object, it was witnessed by hundreds of people, and there is still no explanation for what they were firing at. There's an overview of this case here: uforesearchnetwork.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=casefiles&action=display&thread=121I need to update this with vids and pics when i get chance Stephensville UFO Sighting - This was witnessed by loads of people, police officers even saw this sighting there were Jets involved too, police contacted the Airforce and were told they had no planes up in the sky at the time, then 2 weeks later a UFO Investigator got hold of the Radar information and indeed there were planes in the air that night, the military backtracked and said they were doing a training exercise.
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Post by Laurance on Jan 24, 2011 20:43:40 GMT 1
Okies sounds good. My five choices are, in no particular order:- The Cash Landrum case The Kecksburg incident The Scandinavian 'Ghost Flyers' and the later 'Ghost Rockets' The Goodman Air Force Base case The Foo Fighters Interesting whats the reasons for your choices m8? What reasons? dam... got caught ;D only joking. Mainly because of the amount of evidence left behind. The Cash Landrum case:- The three main people involved in this case all displayed strange lesions on their bodies and had something akin to Radiation sickness. Also that it was backed up (the sighting with the helicopters) by several other folks in the surrounding area. The Kecksburg incident:- Many witnessed this object (seen over 6 states and one province in Canada), it also set fire to woodland areas surrounding Kecksburg. How the US Military did arrive at the scene, that it was reported in many papers The Scandinavian 'Ghost Flyers' and the later 'Ghost Rockets':- These were investigated by some very high up people, they were also sighted by many credible witnesses. Unfortunely, no actual physical evidence has every been uncovered and photos are very few. I believe that these people still saw something. The Goodman Air Force Base case:- The first 'casualty' from contact with a UFO. There is stories they never found the body, some say his coffin was filled with sandbags (which is known to be done within the military). The Foo Fighters:- Once again, many credible witnesses, from both sides. Unfortunely there isn't a lot of evidence besides a few photos and witness testimony, but a shed load of rumours.
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Post by prettyboyfloyd on Jan 25, 2011 0:29:49 GMT 1
Gday Laurance I would like to know what you've been reading on the Aztec case. To say that this was a hoax?There was suppose to be Alien bodies retrieved from this crash.And many witnesses also. Cheers:Prettyboyfloyd
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Post by Laurance on Jan 25, 2011 0:46:26 GMT 1
Gday Laurance I would like to know what you've been reading on the Aztec case. To say that this was a hoax?There was suppose to be Alien bodies retrieved from this crash.And many witnesses also. Cheers:Prettyboyfloyd The Aztec UFO Hoax was the work of Variety columnist Frank Scully who was hoaxed by two con men, Silas M. Newton and Leo A. Gebauer. Scully liked the hoax so much he wrote a book based on it: Behind the Flying Saucers. Scully claimed that a UFO had landed in Hart Canyon 12 miles northeast of Aztec in March of 1948 and sixteen humanoid bodies were discovered at the crash site inside a metal disk that was 99.99 (not 100) feet in diameter. A conspiring military secretly removed the craft and the bodies for their sinister research. No one in the area noticed the crash or the military activity, however. With no witnesses, Newton and Gebauer could play wildly with the truth. Newton and Gebauer were involved in oil exploration finance schemes. Their hoax was perpetrated to get investors. They claimed they had built a machine that would find oil and natural gas deposits using alien technology. J.P. Cahn of the San Francisco Chronicle had some of the "alien" metal tested and determined it was aluminum. Cahn's account of the phony alien ship appeared in True magazine in 1952. Several people who had been swindled by Newton and Gebauer came forward. One of their victims, Herman Glader, a millionaire from Denver, pressed charges and the pair was convicted of fraud and related charges in 1953. (They had charged $18,500 for a "tuner" which could be bought at surplus stores for $3.50 at the time.) The Aztec story was revived in 1986 by William Steinman and Wendelle Stevens in their privately-published book called UFO Crash at Aztec. It was revived again in 1998 when Linda Mouton Howe, a UFO and Art Bell mainstay, claimed she had government documents that proved the Aztec crash. What she had was a rumor eight times removed from the source, Silas Newton, that eventually ended up in a memo written to J. Edgar Hoover. Newton told George Koehler about 3-foot tall aliens and their saucer; Koehler told Morley Davies who told Jack Murphy and I. J. van Horn who told Rudy Fick who told the editor of the Wyandotte Echo in Kansas City where it was read by an Air Force agent in the Office of Special Investigations who passed on the story to Guy Hottel of the FBI who sent a memo to his boss (Thomas). The citizens of Aztec have seen how Roswell has turned UFO mania into a profitable tourist attraction and have followed suit. Like the citizens of Roswell, they now sponsor an annual UFO Festival. The festival was started as a way to raise money for the town's library. There must be a better way. www.nmsr.org/aztec.htmThe only witnesses were actually the con men involved. It is well known with many UFOlogists that Aztec was a hoax or even a disinfo effort to turn eyes away from Roswell and other UFOs. But this is what UFOlogy is all about, there is hundreds of answers to the same question. But I am happy and open enough to listen to anything.
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Post by uforn on Jan 25, 2011 1:09:41 GMT 1
Well said Loz this is why its best to do as much research on every case you come across as there is that much dissinfo out there, its hard to separate fact from fiction.
Take Bentwaters for instance its been one of the best UFO case's for 30 years, and suddenly since this new information has come out about the binary numbers and what have you its all fell apart, i was told of the record that Bentwaters was a cover up but not of a UFO.
No matter how much you research this subject you will never get to the truth and that is a fact.
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Post by prettyboyfloyd on Jan 25, 2011 1:20:54 GMT 1
Laurance Is it possible they learnt from there mistakes from Roswell? Mj12 was involved in this coverup.Took the military 2weeks to clean up all the evidence.In the end mate someone always slips there tounge lol.The reasons you said i understand.But look into this more?& you will find more. Cheers:Prettyboyfloyd
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Post by Laurance on Jan 25, 2011 1:35:22 GMT 1
Laurance Is it possible they learnt from there mistakes from Roswell? Mj12 was involved in this coverup.Took the military 2weeks to clean up all the evidence.In the end mate someone always slips there tounge lol.The reasons you said i understand.But look into this more?& you will find more. Cheers:Prettyboyfloyd You mean the same MJ12 that has been proven to be false documents several times over? Funny how the first actual mention of the Aztec crash was in a University seminar, the professor gave them a scenario and location etc etc and it was Aztec etc etc Then a few months later the 'crash' was actually mentioned. the main problem is, not everyone slips up, but humans do have the tendency to jump on the bandwagon. The truth is, we may never truly know.
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Post by uforn on Jan 25, 2011 1:52:01 GMT 1
Laurance Is it possible they learnt from there mistakes from Roswell? Mj12 was involved in this coverup.Took the military 2weeks to clean up all the evidence.In the end mate someone always slips there tounge lol.The reasons you said i understand.But look into this more?& you will find more. Cheers:Prettyboyfloyd You mean the same MJ12 that has been proven to be false documents several times over? Funny how the first actual mention of the Aztec crash was in a University seminar, the professor gave them a scenario and location etc etc and it was Aztec etc etc Then a few months later the 'crash' was actually mentioned. the main problem is, not everyone slips up, but humans do have the tendency to jump on the bandwagon. The truth is, we may never truly know. Not all Ufologists share the same opinion on the MJ12 Documents, some parts of it are supposed to be legit where as other parts of it are obviously hoaxed, so here we go again truth mixed with hoax. I personaly think there is some truth in the Documents as does Stanton Friedman to name one big name Ufologist.
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Post by Laurance on Jan 25, 2011 2:02:30 GMT 1
You mean the same MJ12 that has been proven to be false documents several times over? Funny how the first actual mention of the Aztec crash was in a University seminar, the professor gave them a scenario and location etc etc and it was Aztec etc etc Then a few months later the 'crash' was actually mentioned. the main problem is, not everyone slips up, but humans do have the tendency to jump on the bandwagon. The truth is, we may never truly know. Not all Ufologists share the same opinion on the MJ12 Documents, some parts of it are supposed to be legit where as other parts of it are obviously hoaxed, so here we go again truth mixed with hoax. I personaly think there is some truth in the Documents as does Stanton Friedman to name one big name Ufologist. Yes Mr Friedman even collected a $1,000 dollar bet due to his MJ-12 Research. Yes some may be true, but MJ-12 in general doesn't add up, these include the names of the people involved and their titles not being the same as what they carried at the time.
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Post by prettyboyfloyd on Jan 25, 2011 2:11:59 GMT 1
Had to laugh. On the battle of Los Angeles 1942 Judge. They said it was a weather balloon in the end.But they still could not shoot it down?lmao Cheers:Prettyboyfloyd
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Post by meldrew on Jan 25, 2011 2:14:29 GMT 1
my research on mj12 says that its conspiracy, UFO investigator William Moore was contacted by AFOSI and offered a tempting deal, the AFOSI officers claimed they were a dissident group from the airforce who no longer supported the airforce's policy and wanted to bring their trove of evidence of ETs visits to earth out in the open, they offered Moore access to secret documents in exchange for reports on certain members of the ufo community, especially an electronics engineer from Albuquerque called Paul Bennewitz, Moore took the bait and informed for most of the 80s in exchange for the documents, another person who was conned by the airforce thinking they were getting inside information was your Linda Moulton Howe.
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Post by uforn on Jan 25, 2011 2:24:25 GMT 1
Had to laugh. On the battle of Los Angeles 1942 Judge. They said it was a weather balloon in the end.But they still could not shoot it down?lmao Cheers:Prettyboyfloyd
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Post by Laurance on Jan 25, 2011 2:29:42 GMT 1
Had to laugh. On the battle of Los Angeles 1942 Judge. They said it was a weather balloon in the end.But they still could not shoot it down?lmao Cheers:Prettyboyfloyd Don't forget the disc shaped object that was seen over the beach in the early hours being chased by P-51's.
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Post by Laurance on Jan 25, 2011 2:31:55 GMT 1
my research on mj12 says that its conspiracy, UFO investigator William Moore was contacted by AFOSI and offered a tempting deal, the AFOSI officers claimed they were a dissident group from the airforce who no longer supported the airforce's policy and wanted to bring their trove of evidence of ETs visits to earth out in the open, they offered Moore access to secret documents in exchange for reports on certain members of the ufo community, especially an electronics engineer from Albuquerque called Paul Bennewitz, Moore took the bait and informed for most of the 80s in exchange for the documents, another person who was conned by the airforce thinking they were getting inside information was your Linda Moulton Howe. But don't forget Moore kept the documents close to hadn't, until approached by someone who worked for the National Archives who had found similar documents. This was about 5 years after he had first been given the documents, the AFOSI also offered British UFOlogist Jenny Randles the same deal but she smelled a rat and turned it down.
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Post by meldrew on Jan 25, 2011 2:49:07 GMT 1
my research on mj12 says that its conspiracy, UFO investigator William Moore was contacted by AFOSI and offered a tempting deal, the AFOSI officers claimed they were a dissident group from the airforce who no longer supported the airforce's policy and wanted to bring their trove of evidence of ETs visits to earth out in the open, they offered Moore access to secret documents in exchange for reports on certain members of the ufo community, especially an electronics engineer from Albuquerque called Paul Bennewitz, Moore took the bait and informed for most of the 80s in exchange for the documents, another person who was conned by the airforce thinking they were getting inside information was your Linda Moulton Howe. But don't forget Moore kept the documents close to hadn't, until approached by someone who worked for the National Archives who had found similar documents. This was about 5 years after he had first been given the documents, the AFOSI also offered British UFOlogist Jenny Randles the same deal but she smelled a rat and turned it down. my information is that Moore was handed the first documents by a Staff sgt Richard Doty in febuary 1981, Moore passed this document to a TV station in 1982, the tv station contacted the airforce and was told they were all fake, Doty also passed documents to Moulton Howe, but as in all of this ufo subject it depends on what researcher you read, take the leary sighting (jimmy carter) they cant decide if it was in january or october.
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Post by prettyboyfloyd on Jan 29, 2011 5:14:24 GMT 1
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